Retention/Taunt

[Himrik]

Always the same answer: "If PLD get this - or that - it'll be way overpowered"
How come it is overpowered to deal damage like a DD when they can take hits like a PLD ?
How come it is overpowered that we have the same Atk as a WAR when a WAR can have the same defense as us ?

When i say "setup based on PLD", i mean "whitout a WHM to support it". That, we don't have. And a good solo tank is not overpowered if it takes two hours to kill something, thanks to the rage system or the time limit for a lot of fights.

And speaking of voidwatch is a sad excuse. It sounds like "These are the ten percent where you are useful, so stop complaining about the ninety other percent"

[Zagen]

Always the same answer: "If PLD get this - or that - it'll be way overpowered"
How come it is overpowered to deal damage like a DD when they can take hits like a PLD ?
How come it is overpowered that we have the same Atk as a WAR when a WAR can have the same defense as us ?

Again look at the current fight/battle system. That's where the flaw is when it comes to PLD on easy crap.

Same damage potential as a DD equates to a soloist better than RDM dot of yesteryear. Show me a WAR who can solo NMs of any value without a WHM, because I can on PLD already and I don't even have Ochain/Aegis.

As to ATK compared to DEF. First take a look at how they work... ATK actually matters. DEF doesn't on anything major. Don't believe me? Go parse damage taken by a Counterstance MNK and compare it to damage taken by a PLD/BLU with full DEF buffs on any decent NM. You'll be disappointed at how 90 DEF isn't vastly different from 999+DEF.

When i say "setup based on PLD", i mean "whitout a WHM to support it". That, we don't have. And a good solo tank is not overpowered if it takes two hours to kill something, thanks to the rage system or the time limit for a lot of fights."

I'm sorry but what setup where a PLD doesn't need a WHM isn't done better by NIN/DNC, DNC/NIN, or MNK/DNC? Those 3 jobs all do more damage while still being able to be self sufficient.

PLD can already solo NMs with rage timers if those timers didn't exist. Allowing them to deal damage comparable to WAR means they can get in under those rage timers on some of those NMs. Thus defeating the point of said timers.

And speaking of voidwatch is a sad excuse. It sounds like "These are the ten percent where you are useful, so stop complaining about the ninety other percent"

I don't disagree with you, after all the lights are the only reason PLD is even used in Voidwatch but it is thus far the best thing SE has come up with to give PLD some use without going back in and redesigning and recoding the battle system.


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Also just noticed your initial suggestion of it being a resist trait instead of abilities. That would be more appealing as while it still attempts to circumvent an intended game mechanic it wouldn't always work, thus still making the mechanic a threat.