Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[Asymptotic]

Are you doing those 80 runs solo? By the way solo means no one else in the zone not you outside of a party.

The current system is designed so that you won't have to.
If you could just run in and finish your weapon in 3 days, then no one would be doing Walk of Echoes in two months once the price of scrolls crashes.

[Insaniac]

No one will be doing WoE in 3 months because it's easier and less time consuming to make an emp. The La Thien paths were already easier then the WoE versions and now all paths are easier. Any emp can be level 90 in a week without even trying too hard. Finishing a WoE weapon in a week would be pure hell and probably impossible unless you get lucky with the right pouch dropping.

[Zagen]

The current system is designed so that you won't have to.
If you could just run in and finish your weapon in 3 days, then no one would be doing Walk of Echoes in two months once the price of scrolls crashes.

And the point is if you can't actually solo it then it isn't faster than Emp weapons. Considering many of them can actually be soloed depending on your job options.

Now when you're factoring in other people helping you in WoE you have to consider a few things:
1) All Emp NMs drop +2s
2) Most NMs leading to the Emp NM drop Seals
3) All Emp drops are 100% for 1 and decent enough for 2 even without TH.

These first 2 things are reason enough for people to join you in your Emp journey. So in the end when you need more people Emps become much faster than WoE weapons all it takes is willingness to lead.

And that's the point, right now as it stands the only reasons to make a WoE weapon are:
1) You like to torture yourself.
2) You're actually farming WoE for money items.

If these aren't your reasons for getting a WoE weapon then you should be making an Emp because its better and takes less time.

[Sasaraixx]

The second biggest problem is that effort does not appear linked to rewards. If this isn't true, some reassurance will help, and players will get statistical samples to back this up, eventually.

You have to be careful with this. While I do not want someone who contributes very little to the fight to be able to receive the best rewards, the link between "effort" and rewards needs to be viewed more carefully than it has in the past. It is more difficult for some jobs to score as highly as others just based on the nature of the job. And while we know that many people are just out for themselves, we don't want to create a situation where we encourage them to act even more selfishly in order to rank higher.

[xbobx]

I am starting to think it is programmed to know which trials you have open and does not give you those. I am doing bow and h2h trials, those are the two coins I just never get. I keep getting birth and ruin coins with odd glory.
Sometimes I really wonder if they do stuff like that just to drag it out. If I started a staff i would have probable got decays

[Chamaan]

It would be nice if you could do something like that trading boxes for XP thing in Abyssea. Like, if you open your chest at the end and it's full of trash, you can have the option of feeding it to Atomos/trading to Kupofried and he spits you out extra XP, or gives the choice of one of three random coins. That way at least you're guaranteed a coin, with three chances of it being the one you want. That way you're not filling up your inventory with bone chips like a chump, and you've still got a chance at a scroll of Comet all to yourself.

[svengalis]

I smell so much Tanaka in this new update that its hard to breathe.

Please make it clear that the system implemented simply does not reward the players. And as previously stated, we will not be playing WoE forever. Making it harder on people who want rewards from it.

Or maybe they are listening to the few hardcore players complaining about content being to easy. I bet if could take a poll of all the players most would want more abyssea style content where drops are not as random as they use to be pre abyssea.

[Insaniac]

Or maybe they are listening to the few hardcore players complaining about content being to easy. I bet if could take a poll of all the players most would want more abyssea style content where drops are not as random as they use to be pre abyssea.

Grind =/= Difficult. VW has some genuinely difficult content but unfortunately it also has the worst drop system of any event ever probably in any MMO in history. So, it's not only challenging/fun it's also a soul crushing nigh impossible grind to get the gear or HMPs you want from it. WoE is pure mindless chaotic grind. It's neither challenging or fun. Grinds are put in MMOs for the same reason they put nicotine in cigarettes. It makes something of little to no value addictive and keeps your money flowing. It's cheap shoddy game design and I really hoped those days were over for FFXI.

[Vitus]

I think he means, jump into fluxes that have people in it, swing a few times, die, and zombie a few more times, and pop some abilities for brownie points and afk till the end. Win

Vitus Obtained a Chunk of Junk.
Vitus Obtained a Chunk of Iron Ore.
Vitus Obtained a Wad of used Toilet Paper.
Vitus Obtained a Coin of Ruined Afternoon.
Vitus Obtained a Galka Molar.

I just don't understand the people defending the event like they made a logical step forward <_<

they took a few steps forward to get everyone involved and such, great, but then they fell backwards, stumbled, and rolled down back down the hill with these junk drops... The looong wait.... and a time sink only for those people looking to make specific weapons.

Nice story telling... on the contrary, the real story is quite different. Good try bud.
Here is the true version: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...0925140451.jpg
And this is totally true one: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...927182820.jpg/

[Asymptotic]

And the point is if you can't actually solo it then it isn't faster than Emp weapons. Considering many of them can actually be soloed depending on your job options.

Now when you're factoring in other people helping you in WoE you have to consider a few things:
1) All Emp NMs drop +2s
2) Most NMs leading to the Emp NM drop Seals
3) All Emp drops are 100% for 1 and decent enough for 2 even without TH.

These first 2 things are reason enough for people to join you in your Emp journey. So in the end when you need more people Emps become much faster than WoE weapons all it takes is willingness to lead.

And that's the point, right now as it stands the only reasons to make a WoE weapon are:
1) You like to torture yourself.
2) You're actually farming WoE for money items.

If these aren't your reasons for getting a WoE weapon then you should be making an Emp because its better and takes less time.

It's not supposed to take less time, it's supposed to be easier - which it is.
Think OAT mid-damage magian path vs. OA2-4 path.