[Soap Box] {Lock On} & general charity shouts

[Anethia]

I've often asked this question, "who's the bigger moron, the moron that leads, or the moron that follows him?". It's the same thing with pay-to-win shouts. Despite the fact that I find the people who do that are unethical idiots, unfortunately they are the smart idiots. The bigger idiot is the one who actually pays for it.

In other words, the guy doing the shouting may be unethical, but the one who actually buys into it is a lazy fool. And there is a saying for that: "A fool and his money are soon parted".

[Zagen]

In other words, the guy doing the shouting may be unethical, but the one who actually buys into it is a lazy fool. And there is a saying for that: "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Knowing how to spend the time you play in game and what your time is actually worth doesn't equate to "A fool and his money are soon parted". I'll pay a merc group 900k for 6 of a given +2 head/hands/legs/feet item I may need because I know in the time I spend to farm those same KIs and find the right jobs to do the given NM I would have made double that amount of gil if not more.

But feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to feel like you're better than me because you're getting stuff without using gil.

[Vortex]

Knowing how to spend the time you play in game and what your time is actually worth doesn't equate to "A fool and his money are soon parted". I'll pay a merc group 900k for 6 of a given +2 head/hands/legs/feet item I may need because I know in the time I spend to farm those same KIs and find the right jobs to do the given NM I would have made double that amount of gil if not more.

But feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to feel like you're better than me because you're getting stuff without using gil.

So your solution is to "get gill" and spend it all on things you can easily solo/duo? that indeed consititues a "fool and his money" i have almost every job caped out on +2 gear 10-12) and i didn't spend a single gill on either. and half of it i even duoed. that's a sad excuse and you know it. if you don't "have the time" to play this game then you should find something else to do. because that is all this game is, Time.

[Zagen]

So your solution is to "get gill" and spend it all on things you can easily solo/duo? that indeed consititues a "fool and his money" i have almost every job caped out on +2 gear 10-12) and i didn't spend a single gill on either. and half of it i even duoed. that's a sad excuse and you know it. if you don't "have the time" to play this game then you should find something else to do. because that is all this game is, Time.

I'd love to know your secret for getting a guaranteed full 6 of a given +2 item from said NMs in less than 3 hours. Including KI farming and NM killing with a Duo.

Edit: Having time to play the game has nothing to do with finding the best use of said time. If in 3-4hour s I can gain 3-4 million gil spending 900k of said gil to get a +2 that I might have finished in the same amount of time and still having 2.1-3.1 million gil as a profit just seems like a better use of my time.

[Vortex]

I'd love to know your secret for getting a guaranteed full 6 of a given +2 item from said NMs in less than 3 hours. Including KI farming and NM killing with a Duo.

It's called knowing the right days to go and with right jobs, here is a hint: for best yellow procing chance, go on lightsday/darksday with a nin and whm, you will get the highest possible chance to proc yellow or. blm+dnc on other days. it's called careful planning. i duoed amalhuk on lightsday for example with nin+whm and proced yellow both times getting the 6/6 coins, of course it requires luck, but would that have happend on watersday? probably not, unless you got extreamly lucky and it was a nin proc, which has actually happend a few times.

it has worked well for me through most of my +2 low man farming, and during the days where my procing chances were lowest i would farm the KIs my self. i don't mind working for my stuff. oh and i also make gill in the process by npcing the junk in gold chests, so not only do i save gill, but i also add to it.

[Zagen]

It's called knowing the right days to go and with right jobs, here is a hint: for best yellow procing chance, go on lightsday/darksday with a nin and whm, you will get the highest possible chance to proc yellow or. blm+dnc on other days. it's called careful planning. i duoed amalhuk on lightsday for example with nin+whm and proced yellow both times getting the 6/6 coins, of course it requires luck, but would that have happend on watersday? probably not, unless you got extreamly lucky and it was a nin proc, which has actually happend a few times.

Bolded the part that makes my method more practical. I zone, pay for drops, lot, and zone back out while having made more gil and wasted less time on luck because the merc group is usually doing 8-10+ of a given NM, brings all yellow procs for any day, and has a THF with TH 7.

Oh and did I mention I don't need to give my duo partner something beneficial this way, assuming it isn't a dualboxed character.

[Vortex]

Bolded the part that makes my method more practical. I zone, pay for drops, lot, and zone back out while having made more gil and wasted less time on luck because the merc group is usually doing 8-10+ of a given NM, brings all yellow procs for any day, and has a THF with TH 7.

Oh and did I mention I don't need to give my duo partner something beneficial this way, assuming it isn't a dualboxed character.

Ah right, you're correct, the obvious solution is to just throw gill at everything without lifting a finger (pun intended), i mean the entire point of this game is to just sit in town and shour "i got lots of gill, who wants to work for me while i do nothing" my apologies. after all, if you can't win, don't try. right?

Your method is not "practical" it's just being lazy. which is common.

[Zagen]

Ah right, you're correct, the obvious solution is to just throw gill at everything without lifting a finger (pun intended), i mean the entire point of this game is to just sit in town and shour "i got lots of gill, who wants to work for me while i do nothing" my apologies. after all, if you can't win, don't try. right?

Your method is not "practical" it's just being lazy. which is common.

I don't think you know what practical means...

Your method:
1) Farm KIs needed to fight X NM 2 times
2) Go on a given time frame to better benefit Light/Dark Yellow !!
3) With Luck get a full +2 set from the given NM fights.

My method:
1) Make gil, much more gil than Merc group charges instead of farming KIs and personally fighting X NM.
2) Pay a group to give me better odds at items I want than your method.

Either way we're both working, just at different things, neither is being "lazy" as my gil doesn't grow on trees.

The big differences are:
You method gets you Yellow procs for 3 jobs when going on Light/Darkday.
Mine gets me all Yellow procs regardless of day and TH.

As I said my way is more practical.

[Kihrre]

Does anyone really use the Lock On translate term like this? I've never seen it used like that on Shiva, and it is a major abuse of the auto translate.

Seen on Phoenix server though I have not yet seen JP using the term.. then again I don't stay around Jeuno long enough.

[Vortex]

I don't think you know what practical means...

Your method:
1) Farm KIs needed to fight X NM 2 times
2) Go on a given time frame to better benefit Light/Dark Yellow !!
3) With Luck get a full +2 set from the given NM fights.

My method:
1) Make gil, much more gil than Merc group charges instead of farming KIs and personally fighting X NM.
2) Pay a group to give me better odds at items I want than your method.

Either way we're both working, just at different things, neither is being "lazy" as my gil doesn't grow on trees.

The big differences are:
You method gets you Yellow procs for 3 jobs when going on Light/Darkday.
Mine gets me all Yellow procs regardless of day and TH.

As I said my way is more practical.

You're method costs you gill and all you have to do is zone in and get the drops, my method gets me the drops without spending any gill. nothing in this game worth getting is "instant" why are you arguing time issues. in the end i keep all my gill for things that i can actually use gill wisly on liek crafting or really hard to get items that needs multiple crafts etc. you're just wasting gill on seals and +2 items..which i can never understand due to how easy it is to get. if you want to call it pratical that is great.

My point of this before it goes any further is, you are wasting gill on absurdly easy to get items.

Kind of like people who buy a scroll for 40k when a mob drops it 80% of the time, and all you have to do is go kill one,