ATTN DEVS and COMMUNITY REPS: Mythics

[Shoko]

Well, if you're expecting the prices to drop . . . you may be waiting a while. They likely aren't reworking ToAU this patch and (in my opinion) when they do it will be incredibly unlikely that prices for Alex will actually drop. Lets say that they double supply and halve the requirements, then encourage people to do Salvage/rejuvenate Einherjar, NI, etc.

How many of the people doing Salvage again are going to start their own mythic?

How many people does it take to completely use up the Alexandrite supply on a server at 3k? 5k? 9k? 12k?

We have maybe 6 serious buyers (including NA and JP) on Lakshmi at the moment, and the price is 10k each with an upward bend.

Eventually I might fold and finish up, but I'm still hopeful. Even if a lot of people restart collecting Alex, it will certainly be plentiful again if they rejuvenate Salvage to the level it was 3 years ago.

My only regret was seriously not collecting Alexandrite early when I started working on Mythic, because it was literally everywhere. My server also has a VERY LARGE Japanese base, many of which had a number of people working on a Mythic weapon (most of whom are finished now, and I've seen well over 30 different mythic weapons here, when it was Carbuncle only). Still, Alex was as low as 2.5k then.

Ah well.

[Tigeriris]

Forgive me, I just assumed that most players would have been finished with Nyzul Isle, Einherjar, Assault-Salvage bar a few more runs to cap points. ToAU has been out how long? Barring new players, which we have very few of.

Yes, not everyone has a nyzul einherjar salvage group etc. But someone who is planning on getting a mythic weapon never did these things before? If not for the gear drops alone.

Also started on a mythic a little over a month ago, already at 5k alexandrite. How's that for a start? Maybe 2 in 1 year and 7 months.

[Byrth]

I started two months ago and have >26000, but I also have no qualms with just buying them and have gotten lucky finding people selling.

[Demonofhunger]

I'll just repost what I said before:

Who actually expects to ever complete a Mythic again?

I don't know about your server, but on my server Alexandrites are never in anyone's Bazaar and when they pop up every three months on one guy's mule it's ten for 30K each. Also, LSs aren't doing any of the events for equipment any more like ZNM mobs and Assaults and Einherjar and Nyzul and Salvage, and Emp. weapons are better in almost all ways. The very idea that Mythic weapons will ever be achieved outside of Mog Bonanza is laughable in light of the evidence.

If you didn't have 150 million gil back in 2008 when people were doing these events, a Mythic will never be yours. That is just the way the game stands.

Adding injury to insult, if you beat the impossible odds and actually could get an entire linkshell to do Salvage and funnel alexandrites to just you for six months so only you could get a Mythic, you are then expected to spend months and months of soloing Magian Trials to upgrade them.

I mean, if the developers are looking into spending any time on improving the mechanics of obtaining a Mythic, they should just make a vendor that sells alexandrites for 5K each. At least then someone might be able to convince a small group of friends to do the assaults, ZNMs, NMs, and other events (or at least be able to dual-box or three-box these requirements) and might have a chance of getting a Mythic before the servers shut down.

[Staren]

Anyone know how the PW fight made the news was it just Fusionx's blog post or did people send it in/have connections. I'm seriously interested in passing the 500 day requirement (actually putting in the work effort for it yourself instead of buying) for a minor upgrade item on to someone who might be able to put it somewhere public for SE to have to deal with since they're not really even dignifying people concerned about this with a response other than working as intended. Instead we get updates about pup and bst. I mean we all get it SE feels bad that they made two cruddy jobs that are mostly left to solo and they're talking to the less fortunate of the family right now. But there's a large injustice in the endgame weapon category that they're completely ignoring just because they don't want to admit they set the bar a little too high for players here in 2011.

[Rearden]

Could just email them and use the english language/grammar/sentence structure/coherent ideas/impartial logic as your guide.

[Juri_Licious]

300 Mil? that's absolutely absurd.

[Sotek]

I do hope that if you took the time to lock my thread, you took the time to take the OP to the devs, SE.

Anyone know how the PW fight made the news was it just Fusionx's blog post or did people send it in/have connections. I'm seriously interested in passing the 500 day requirement (actually putting in the work effort for it yourself instead of buying) for a minor upgrade item on to someone who might be able to put it somewhere public for SE to have to deal with since they're not really even dignifying people concerned about this with a response other than working as intended. Instead we get updates about pup and bst. I mean we all get it SE feels bad that they made two cruddy jobs that are mostly left to solo and they're talking to the less fortunate of the family right now. But there's a large injustice in the endgame weapon category that they're completely ignoring just because they don't want to admit they set the bar a little too high for players here in 2011.

I think it would be very hard to get anyone to seriously chase that up.
Pandemonium Warder involved people playing non stop for something like a day and not even winning, even if you're going to be stupid and only obtain Alexandrite through Salvage (though given the rarity in Bazaars it's not a completely unreasonable thing to do), that's only 100 minutes per day. Taking on Pandemonium Warder was sheer ridiculousness, playing a MMO for 100 minutes a day sounds like exactly what a MMO is meant to be. You're certainly not going to put yourself in hospital trying to obtain 30,000 Alexandrite.

Simplest solution I can think of for Alexandrite is to turn it into a points reward system like Cruor, lets say Remnants Tokens. That way rather than Alexandrite being a competitive element of Duties, Tasks and Deeds, it becomes something you can do as a team. Obviously Alexandrite would already be left in the game and we'd all be stuck with stacks upon stacks of worthless stones, unless SE adds an option to Zasshal (or Ghanraam) to trade Remnants Tokens for Alexandrite. You'd still be in competition with others to buy from Bazaars, but at the very least you can triple your Alexandrite drop rate per run.

Just to flesh it out a bit more (and repost my stacking system which has pointlessly been locked):
-Every mob in Salvage drops ~100 Remnants Tokens, Gears/etc. ~150, NMs ~250, zone bosses ~500.
-Every 100 Tokens can be traded to Zasshal for 1 Alexandrite.
-100 Alexandrite can be traded for a 100 piece Alexandrite.
-Every 10,000 Tokens can be traded for a 100 piece Alexandrite.

With that, every Salvage run would earn you alone about the same 70 Alexandrite average, but every individual earns that same amount. The Salvage aspect of the quest becomes a collaborative effort like the rest and the amount of Alexandrite in Bazaars should at least triple. If you have friends simply helping you with Alexandrite, you earn at least 210 Alexandrite a run, if not you're earning what you currently get before splitting. A win win situation, no?
It still wouldn't remove the fact that the Alexandrite section is ridiculously disproportionate to the rest (150,000 Nyzul tokens needed, 3,000,000 Remnants tokens...), but it's the best I can come up with for the given situation.

So, SE, feel free to lock and ignore this now.

[Alhanelem]

Anyone know how the PW fight made the news

Who would know better than SE what happens on SE's servers? They probably had a flag set up so they would know when certain monsters (e.g. AV or PW) were defeated.

[Taint2]

Who would know better than SE what happens on SE's servers? They probably had a flag set up so they would know when certain monsters (e.g. AV or PW) were defeated.

They didn't kill it.