A Simple Request from Thieves: An upgrade to Thief's Knife.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Karbuncle, I don't care if I farm in dynamis with my thief knife in my off hand. I get where your coming from, to me it is an acceptable sacrifice in order to get th6 im giving up tp because of the gear swap. Blms sacrifice tp in order to switch staves for optimal nuking (tp is given to blms when they nuke from the job ability Occult Acumen, while probaly 99% of all blms fail to take advantage of this ja and myself is included it is still a trade off that we accept), granted tp means nothing to blm and alot more to a thief but it is what it is. You want th6, use the knife, you dont, you get th5. I dont like the tp trade off from switching back to my dd or eva sub weapon after I apply treasure hunter 6, it's just that I disagree because I see it as an acceptable trade off that's part of the job.

PS- While we disagree here I wouldn't be upset if the knife gets an upgrade. I just dont want to see it full timed 24/7 unless a person is farming, and in the case of farming its acceptable to either lose tp from a gear swap or to just full time the knife- its what you have to do to in order to get th6. Now im a new monk so I may be wrong, but I trade out some haste/stat gear if im using a tanking/counter stance set for acc/eva, these are the choices that are to be made and the trade offs involved.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Actually i wouldnt mind the raider's knife idea if the damage output was reduced to say 35 (this makes it much better than tk and keeps pace with the new level increases but also makes it slighlty less optimal than other dd knives and maintains its balance). I'd alos like to see that in order to acquire it you need a tk to pop the nm that drops the raiders knife, by trading the tk to the ??? that pops the nm that drops the new knife. Since most if not all thieves own a tk, this wont be a problem and wont impact the economy as much if the new knife drop rate is decent.

[FrankReynolds]

Karbuncle, I don't care if I farm in dynamis with my thief knife in my off hand. I get where your coming from, to me it is an acceptable sacrifice in order to get th6 im giving up tp because of the gear swap. Blms sacrifice tp in order to switch staves for optimal nuking (tp is given to blms when they nuke from the job ability Occult Acumen, while probaly 99% of all blms fail to take advantage of this ja and myself is included it is still a trade off that we accept), granted tp means nothing to blm and alot more to a thief but it is what it is. You want th6, use the knife, you dont, you get th5. I dont like the tp trade off from switching back to my dd or eva sub weapon after I apply treasure hunter 6, it's just that I disagree because I see it as an acceptable trade off that's part of the job.

PS- While we disagree here I wouldn't be upset if the knife gets an upgrade. I just dont want to see it full timed 24/7 unless a person is farming, and in the case of farming its acceptable to either lose tp from a gear swap or to just full time the knife- its what you have to do to in order to get th6. Now im a new monk so I may be wrong, but I trade out some haste/stat gear if im using a tanking/counter stance set for acc/eva, these are the choices that are to be made and the trade offs involved.

SO you don't care if you do shit damage and die a lot as long as a random number that does virtually nothing appears on the screen once in a while? Great! Your invited to none of my runs.

[noodles355]

Actually i wouldnt mind the raider's knife idea if the damage output was reduced to say 35 (this makes it much better than tk and keeps pace with the new level increases but also makes it slighlty less optimal than other dd knives and maintains its balance). I'd alos like to see that in order to acquire it you need a tk to pop the nm that drops the raiders knife, by trading the tk to the ??? that pops the nm that drops the new knife. Since most if not all thieves own a tk, this wont be a problem and wont impact the economy as much if the new knife drop rate is decent.

Get TK, pop NM, get new knife, go to auction house, buy TK again. Now you have 2 daggers.

[Karbuncle]

If he's talking about the Raider's Knife i suggested, in this thread, and in my OP.

Its "Treasure Hunter +1" bonus is a Latent effect only active when not wielding a Thief's Knife. So if you did what you described you'd be wasting a dagger.

[SpankWustler]

Now im a new monk so I may be wrong, but I trade out some haste/stat gear if im using a tanking/counter stance set for acc/eva, these are the choices that are to be made and the trade offs involved.

You are wrong.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Ive never seen so many trolls in one tread. I'm not wrong about monk, if I am than post what you would use here. Educate me, help a new monk out, dont just post garbage comments and leave. Anyone can post a comment and not back it up, or mock others without contributing to the debate. I didnt see you suggestiong better. Spank, the fact that you felt you had to be nasty and comment on such a harmless post of mine where I stated I was a new monk shows me that you have no real value to contribute and your only purpose is to insult others. Were you that bullied in High School, or are you still attending? FYI Chralie Sheen is a jerk and not a very good role model. Change your ways before its too late, I'll pray for you.

Its obvious this is not a discussion, some of you are trolling here (very sad), all I see are hate posts, talking shit on peoiple that disagree with you, and a general attempt to belittle others in your own foolish self-absorbed "I'm better than you" 3rd grade attitude. Sad. Your failed attempts to insult those who disagree with you only show that you have no class.

Frankreynolds, your the king of trolls here. Your previous post (not the last one) almost prompted me to respond than, but I thought better of it because I wanted to believe it was just a one time rude remark and I'd leave it at that. Regretfully, after looking at the posts in here and your latest comment, I see your just an ignorant and not worth my time after this.

To the ones who are crude and rude, you know who you are. Its a shame that people like yourselfs were given mouths to speak but never learned proper manors. People shouldn't speak ill of others the first time they meet them. Also, dont open your mouth just because you can unless your contributing to a discusiion. Shame on you trolls, no wonder people leave this game they probably are sick and tired of dealing with individuals like yourselves which have nothing better to do than pick fights and cause trouble. I find some comments in this log seriously childish. Go grow a real pair and start being real men.

Because I dont feed trolls this is my first and last post to those en said angry dwarves that can't stand someone else with a different or disagreeable idea to theirs. Thank God your a nobody in the real world or we'd be more screwed than we already are.

*If your not responding to other people's posts in a rude or condescending manor like Spank and Frank than this message is not directed at you. Please disreguard. To all others besides the intended audience (the troll group) who read this post, I'm sorry you have to see this but it had to be said. I've held my tongue long enough. If you show no respect for others than I have no respect for you and will treat you with disdain.

[Concerned4FFxi]

The raider's knife being suggested by Karbuncle is rare/ex, this would prevent people from making a profit off it (at least in the auction house sense where I understand it was suggested that one could buy a thieves knife and then sell the raider's knife on the auction house and then repurchase a thieves knife and repeat) and disable wielding two of the weapon. Also the latent on the knife prevents thieves from using the orginal thief's knife for treasure hunter and this, and allows only one treasure hunter+1 weapon equiped at one time to have it's treasure hunter active.

[SpankWustler]

Ive never seen so many trolls in one tread. I'm not wrong about monk, if I am than post what you would use here. Educate me, help a new monk out, dont just post garbage comments and leave. Anyone can post a comment and not back it up, or mock others without contributing to the debate. I didnt see you suggestiong better. Spank, the fact that you felt you had to be nasty and comment on such a harmless post of mine where I stated I was a new monk shows me that you have no real value to contribute and your only purpose is to insult others. Were you that bullied in High School, or are you still attending? FYI Chralie Sheen is a jerk and not a very good role model. Change your ways before its too late, I'll pray for you.

Your accuracy should be capped at 95% in a typical haste TP set against stuff you would counter-tank, and you'd be better off changing a constant such as food if it is not. I recommend Pizza +1 over Sushi unless you're fighting something really evasive. At any rate, if your hit-rate is capped at 95% as it should be than more accuracy isn't going to help your counter rate.

As for the evasion gear, that's only useful if you're soloing or if your healer has coarsely ground 80/20 beef where his or her brain once lay. So, you can maybe open up some inventory space there.

Well, assuming that you're level 90 and stuff. Everything is situational, but I hope this has been helpful in some way. Honestly, you weren't too far off in this case and it's cool that you went to the effort. Keep punching stuff!

I didn't feel that I had to be nasty, however, I did actively choose to be in this situation. You consistently suggest changes to FFXI which indicate an inadequate understanding of game mechanics and would make the game less pleasant for many people. I don't mind the former bit, Final Fantasy XI is just a game and it's not like the in-game stuff is terribly informative. The way it leads into the latter bit really grates my gonad, though.

If someone said he could fix your car by gluing a dead cat to the head-rest of the driver's seat, how would you address him even if he were sincere and meant well?

[FrankReynolds]

Frankreynolds, your the king of trolls here. Your previous post (not the last one) almost prompted me to respond than, but I thought better of it because I wanted to believe it was just a one time rude remark and I'd leave it at that. Regretfully, after looking at the posts in here and your latest comment, I see your just an ignorant and not worth my time after this.

Really? You post about how Thief Knife is fine how it is.... and then in your next post your mad because I didn't jump on board with the 8 hit Thief Knife?

OK, so instead of "trolling" and saying that I'm mean.... Explain to me why you think that an 8 hit Thief knife as described by fancy is a reasonable upgrade. Why should we think this makes sense. Why should I not laugh at that idea?

After your done with that, go ahead and explain why you think that that idea is compatible with your belief that swapping Thief Knife is fine how it is.

Because I'm not OK with how Thief Knife is now, and I believe People who are OK with substandard damage are bad for the job image.