SE, Please Delete Scarlet Delirium

[Alhanelem]

I'm replying to a statement you made, that's the point.

e.g. the "good crit ws" you named is not the best one they have.

[Dirtyfinger]

Then you obviously aren't getting the main point than I'm making. Maybe I'll write it clearer for you to understand.

Your PUP has VS
A DRK has an overpowered crit WS that does over 9000 damage.

You and the DRK go to Abyssea and proc red & blue then come here and post the results.

[Rearden]

Aside from aftermath from Vere and looking at WS only, Pummel is way better in Abyssea

[Dirtyfinger]

All I was doing is making an example of jobs that already have powerful critical hit weapon skills that aren't used in Abyssea purely because they lack the tools to cover many red/blue proc - like WAR or NIN and MNK for blue have. PUP was just an example, much like DRG is too.

And for the main topic at hand, DRK is an extremely powerful job outside Abyssea, it's just that the people with tears down their faces complaining that it's not simply have no idea what they're doing with the job. Sure it would do with some tweaks but seriously, the people saying SE never do anything with DRK QQ cannot comprehend how powerful the RECENT LR update was.

[Alhanelem]

Aside from aftermath from Vere and looking at WS only, Pummel is way better in Abyssea

Um, no, it's not. Clearly, you haven't used both of them.

Smite mops the floor with pummel in abyssea. It's not even close. Even with the WWoE weapon smite is better.

All I was doing is making an example of jobs that already have powerful critical hit weapon skills that aren't used in Abyssea purely because they lack the tools to cover many red/blue proc

Due to the stigma associated with PUP (even though the job has improved greatly in the last several updates), even if they could proc 10 different weapons and proc yellow easily, they'd still not get picked just because people still act all "LOLPUP."

[Rearden]

Question, what does more damage, Asuran Fists or Raging Fists

[Alhanelem]

Question, what is the relevance of that statement?

I know what you're thinking. "Pummel is better cuz it has more hits!"

Yes, it has more hits. it also has lower mods and a much lower FTP. in the end, you can ignore all the maths and stuff and just use both WS and see that VS performs better.

edit: this is way off track, so I'm not going to go any further on that.

[Rearden]

Your answer is relevant to my point, if you would care to indulge me.

[Dirtyfinger]

even if they could proc 10 different weapons and proc yellow easily, they'd still not get picked just because people still act all "LOLPUP."

You're making an assumption.

[Cljader1]

Mnks and Pups get out of this thread....go find your own thread to argue about, pummel vs victory smite is a derail take that crap somewhere else. This thread is about SE deletion of Scarlet Delirium, and I promptly expect them to delete or greatly overhaul it