best gear and atmas for ranger

[Vortex]

The gun has a almost hate free ws even if it is magic based so there is a high chance it would actually do more dmg then gandiva. on important things such as void stuff.

i think you have it confused with relic gun, i'm talking about armagaddon, the empy one. and even still, no other weapon will out damage gandiva. unless of course it has a huge physcial resistence or immunity entierly, but i carry both in case that happens anyway.

actually it did say enimity generation varies with tp, but outside wildefire is pretty bad.

[Mirabelle]

the reason /nin is worthless is because if by some miricale you do grab hate, you will die, after your 3 shadows are down, you will not get ichi back up if a mob is beating on you, you have terrible evasion. and while you are sitting there despratly trying to get ichi up, you are dying, losing damage, while a /sam will continue firing because he can just activate third eye. A good rng will never sub nin.

Learn to tank. I can count shadows and get Ichi up before Ni falls.

Again if you dont party with competent DD's and mages, /NIN will keep you upright longer than /war and even /Sam. If the rest of you party is competent, then a stronger DD sub is great. If you've never been with poor Dd and mages, then bully for you. The world is your oyster.
For those of us that still slum it on occasion, going /war is a recipe for constant dirt naps.

[Vortex]

Learn to tank. I can count shadows and get Ichi up before Ni falls.

Again if you dont party with competent DD's and mages, /NIN will keep you upright longer than /war and even /Sam. If the rest of you party is competent, then a stronger DD sub is great. If you've never been with poor Dd and mages, then bully for you. The world is your oyster.
For those of us that still slum it on occasion, going /war is a recipe for constant dirt naps.

Learn2rng

I can count shadows and get Ichi up before Ni falls.

And while you are "counting shadows" you are losing damage potentional
while as /sam you chunk up segian/third eye and keep shooting, and of course if you get hit, no shadows, let me guess, you try to cast it again? so you sit there for 10 seconds wasting time with shadows while a mob is beating you in the head. yes, very effective.


Nin is worthless, period, all the time, everytime. most stuff i fight is usually dead before it has a chance to do damage. /sam has kept me alive in almost every situation the same as you are claiming nin does. except with /nin my overall damage is LESS giving the mob more chances to kill me. it's trash, period. nor do i /war, that is just suicide and still less damage then sam, stop defending /nin when it has already been proven to be the worst sub for rng by good rngs. learn to play rng better and you will say it. again /nin sucks in every situation, unless you're a full Pink rng that already didn't know any better. End of story. if you want to sub nin, great. but gimping your damage for shadows you don't need is very ineffective. it's not debeatable.


I know RNG is extreamly hard for you to play, i understand, in the end people can sub whatever they want. but things like that crap is what separates the good rngs from ones that just no clue how to be effeicient. even Rng/drg is a better option to shed hate if the fight is a hate cautious and proves better then /nin..
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[noodles355]

i think you have it confused with relic gun, i'm talking about armagaddon, the empy one. and even still, no other weapon will out damage gandiva. unless of course it has a huge physcial resistence or immunity entierly, but i carry both in case that happens anyway.

I believe the theory was being able to spam wildfire with very little hate repeatedly causing you to do more damage over the course of the fight than using Jishnu's Radience and having to hold back or stop damage because you're gaining too much hate.

As I said though, my choice in doing Armageddon first was based 80% on it's stupid easy to get and 10% being able to WF brew things and 10% being usable by 2 of my jobs.

[Mirabelle]

And while you are "counting shadows" you are losing damage potentional

So is the /WAR and /SAM holding back while they wait for the mob to quit pounding on them. Or even better running around thinking that will get the mob off them.

while as /sam you chunk up segian/third eye and keep shootin

Yes increasing your enmity as the mob is focused on you will definitely improve the situation. Your WHM's must really love you.

Again, stuff is situational. You are clearly a man of extremes that can't see the middle ground. There are times where /NIN serves the RNG better and times that /SAM and /WAR serve the RNG better. If you've never seen it then, as i said before, bully for you. But I've seen many a case where the RNG/WAR spends the whole fight dead while the RNG/NIN keeps plugging along. I've seen JP players boot the RNG/WAR for sucking too much MP and slowing down the party. You look at the party, you look at the task and you look at what your best sub would be to accomplish that task. Usually its RNG/SAM in my experience, but not always.

[xbobx]

In many ways it doesn't matter what you are subbing, because you are restricted on how much dmg you do. Sub sam will give you more dmg but you have to hold back anyways. Nin will give you less dmg but you don't have to hold back as much so it all evens out in the end.

Now after patch hopefully that will change with decoy shot, then we can have a bit more fun. But it is my belief that enmity on ranged attacks has been bugged for a very long time. I can see a sam do a 2k ws nother other melee dmg, I do a 1.5k ws no other damage with -20 or so enmity and I will pull hate everytime.

[noodles355]

When hate was an issue (Like Odin, or T4 VNM, or Ixion) you didn't sub /sam or /nin. You subbed /Drg for High Jump. 25% Enmity reduction on a 3minute timer, nothing spectacular, but worthwhile. Every option resulted in you gimping your dmage, but this way the mob was less likely to move.

[Feliciaa]

Just cheat like I did and build a yoichinoyumi. Lol >.>

[noodles355]

With the Relic WSDmg boosts, does Namas Arrow put up damage comparable to Sidewinder now?

[Vortex]

So is the /WAR and /SAM holding back while they wait for the mob to quit pounding on them. Or even better running around thinking that will get the mob off them.

I never once said /war was a good idea, war is good for straight damage, with no defense. it's not at all viable for either offense nor defense. your goal is to kill the mob, not let it live as long as possible.

Yes increasing your enmity as the mob is focused on you will definitely improve the situation. Your WHM's must really love you.

Yes they do, because the mob is usually dead or about to die. due to the damage output as RNG/SAM if it is a dangerous mob you would be holding back anyway untill a time needed to unleash and as /sam i can dish out 3 wss including one that can self light while you have to struggle just to get 100 tp without barrage as /nin, again, rng is not a tank. sometimes you have to accept deaths in order to get the job done, and if you are afraid of dying (which is clear since you are so dependant on shadows) then you are on the wrong job.

Again, stuff is situational. You are clearly a man of extremes that can't see the middle ground. There are times where /NIN serves the RNG better and times that /SAM and /WAR serve the RNG better. If you've never seen it then, as i said before, bully for you. But I've seen many a case where the RNG/WAR spends the whole fight dead while the RNG/NIN keeps plugging along. I've seen JP players boot the RNG/WAR for sucking too much MP and slowing down the party. You look at the party, you look at the task and you look at what your best sub would be to accomplish that task. Usually its RNG/SAM in my experience, but not always.

No i am somone who actually understands RNGs power as well as it's limits /war is not recommended either,

Shadows do not stop multiple hit tp moves / siegan +third eye does, if something does a five fold attack on you, you will not only lose those 3 shadows but take damage anyway and if you just casted ni you are pretty much screwed for the duration of your timer. third eye will not only absorb that five fold attack but stay up for any further attack done on you after words. and it's on a constant 30 second timer when paired with segian. so there is already your flaw in your only reason for subbing nin, it will overall be better for suvivablity. as to even get decent timers on shadows you would have to carry a full haste set on rng just for an inferior sub, and carrying a haste set outside meeling on rng is already dumb.

Weither you accept it or not, /sam will always be superior to /nin and /war for pretty much every situation.

you are free to sub it if you wish, but it will serve you nothing more then a "crutch" that has that years old sticker people have had a problem with "i cannot function without shadows"

summery

/war is for all out damage with no defense,

/nin is for only defense with limited offense, your damage will suffer and the mobs will live longer because you are gimping your self.

/sam is for better damage output better defense overall. because while third eye is random is more reliable then shadows when you do grab hate it takes one second to put up 3rd eye.

It also has the added benefit of sekkanoki ( self explaitory 2 WS for 100 tp)
medidate gradual TP

Store TP increased TP gain, meaning youw ill get 100 tp faster then with the other 2 subs.

now i can't sit here and tell you what to sub. it's clear you don't know anything other then /nin but if you actually want to bring out the full potentional of RNG /nin is certainly not anywhere near what you need. if you need shadows that badly change to nin or thf/nin. rng is not where you do it.

I believe the theory was being able to spam wildfire with very little hate repeatedly causing you to do more damage over the course of the fight than using Jishnu's Radience and having to hold back or stop damage because you're gaining too much hate.

As I said though, my choice in doing Armageddon first was based 80% on it's stupid easy to get and 10% being able to WF brew things and 10% being usable by 2 of my jobs.

Actually, that is a nice reminder, i will keep that in mind for future fights. i had made a build for wildfire on rng in case i ever needed to use it, i comeplty overlooked the reduced enimity the WS gives. my orginal reason for getting gun WAS for RNG strangly enough, i just loved it on COR more for obvious reasons, but after i got gandiva it took a back seat.