Current Limit Break Quest *95*

[Babekeke]

I sure hope you don't consider this a test. The result is that VS crit is anywhere between 0% and 24% with high likelyhood of it beeing between 10 and 20. Man, give us a break with your 16 weapon skills, you've got to try other crit% maybe before claiming some imaginary numbers ? You know, tetsing is not something you do when you're are bored and have one hour to burn. Diasetsu did maybe 20k rounds of H2H to accurately determine with 0% error Kick rate and Full set bonus, I personnally did maybe 40k for magic accuracy and evasion tests, several hunderds for accuractely determining aquaveil and spell interruption cap, several tousands of round to determine which precede TA or DA, several thousands of rounds for the ddex-crit function. Give us a break with your 16 weapon skills.

I hope you put more effort into your testing than you do into your spell-checking >.>

[Byrth]

He's French, and there's no doubt that pchan has contributed greatly to our understanding of FFXI mechanics. I can think of more than a few tests that he did that were very well designed and informative.

That said, there's no need to marginalize the contributions of others. It would be nicer for the FFXI community if he would encourage testing, give ideas, etc. instead of doing a hulk smash on anyone who doesn't put forth a totally definitive answer on their first attempt.

[Gokku]

the test was never ment to be this massive test i said it would be quick took me almost an hour to get all 20 kill in without having more then 110% tp or getting bored.

read the qouted post, within the small test youll see its just quick and dirty if i had 100's or VS skingle kill rounds saved up id have posted the whole parse as it stands i just used it to make sure the assumed 75% crit rate * i had 77% so within error* was correct on my TP gear * same gear i was WSing in*

[Korpg]

k? Anyone who posts shit that isn't theirs, be it an idea or the literal work of another person, has plagiarized. Taking that map, for example, is plagiarism. Reposting it without permission is potentially copyright infringement.

You are right! Square Enix has the right to sue BG wiki for copyright infringement because they posted an altered map and have somebody claim it as their own, even though everything that is in FFXI is the sole property of SE. That is the legal definition of what you are referring to, but you placed it in the wrong context!

Seriously. You are trying to sue a robber for stealing the goods you just stole. You think that anyone is going to take your side?

[Byrth]

I guess I wasn't aware there were Dynamis - San d'Oria maps in the game at the moment. My bad.

[Korpg]

I guess I wasn't aware there were Dynamis - San d'Oria maps in the game at the moment. My bad.

I guess you don't know about South San d'Oria maps either.

[Greatguardian]

GE and Wiki generate ad revenue.
More Information = More Clicks
More Clicks = More Ad Revenue
More Ad Revenue = More Profits
Stealing Information from BG = More Information
More Information = More Profits
QED: Stealing Information from BG = More Profits

Is that really so hard to understand?

Herp Derp plagiarism doesn't hurt anyone. BGWiki operates under a nonprofit license (or it did? Has this changed?). GE and Wikia do not. Stealing from a nonprofit and profiting off the information is a crime. That has never, ever been disputed by the administration of GE or Wikia. They just don't give a damn about actively enforcing it, and shift the opus for enforcement onto the submitters (which we all know is bullshit).

Do Youtube and Megavideo illegally host copyrighted movies and tv shows? Duh. Do they care? Nah. Does that make it legal? No. It's still a crime, and it still hurts people. Stealing from "big, bad corporations" may be okay with some people, but since when is it okay to steal from a non-profit? Do people walk up to mall santas, punch them in the balls, and steal their toys for tots too?

[Easykiller]

k? Anyone who posts shit that isn't theirs, be it an idea or the literal work of another person, has plagiarized. Taking that map, for example, is plagiarism. Reposting it without permission is potentially copyright infringement.

Actually, that's not copyright infringement at all since BG doesn't have a copyright on the MAP, if anything SE has a copyright to the map because all content related to FFXI is copyright (including maps of zones) to SE, so BG posting it in the first place was copyright infringement to start. Just because SE doesn't chose to be a dick about people screencapping maps from in game and displaying them on the website doesn't mean that the person who decided to mark up said map has the right to do so.

[Easykiller]

Stealing from a nonprofit and profiting off the information is a crime.

Actually, if the information that's being "stolen" isn't trademarked, copyrighted or otherwise registered, then copying it verbatim is not at all a crime. Especially when its the company's users that do the posting and not the company or its employees. It may be an asshole thing to do without proper references and if your teacher catches you doing it you may get an F on your paper. But its not illegal at all.

Wikia is a non-profit organization as well, just because they make revenue does not mean they make a profit. You don't have to have a loss every quarter to be considered a non-profit organization, you just have to not make a profit. And just because its a business that uses ad revenue to support its servers and pay its staff doesn't change the fact that even if their users upload copyrighted or stolen material to the site, they are protected by law from it.

Now, please take this to another topic.

[Korpg]

GE and Wiki generate ad revenue.
More Information = More Clicks
More Clicks = More Ad Revenue
More Ad Revenue = More Profits
Stealing Information from BG = More Information
More Information = More Profits
QED: Stealing Information from BG = More Profits

When GE takes the mathy parts of BG and claims it as their own, then yes, you would have a case. Otherwise, you are trying to claim public knowledge as your own, so you can use that against somebody else. Want to claim air as your own too?

Is that really so hard to understand?

You obviously don't understand I'm guessing.

Herp Derp plagiarism doesn't hurt anyone. BGWiki operates under a nonprofit license (or it did? Has this changed?). GE and Wikia do not. Stealing from a nonprofit and profiting off the information is a crime. That has never, ever been disputed by the administration of GE or Wikia. They just don't give a damn about actively enforcing it, and shift the opus for enforcement onto the submitters (which we all know is bullshit).

Then sue them. Sue them for the information they allegedly stole from you.....oh wait, if that information is yours, then SE can sue you for stealing their copy protected products. You have as much claim to the information posted on wiki and GE as they do. SE is the only one who has the actual rights to the information that is presented to those websites, and I'm sure that they (wiki and GE) has rights to produce a product under a licence for that information.