Current Limit Break Quest *95*

[Aver]

As I have stated in other threads, I always admit when I'm wrong.

Well, here it is, I'm wrong.

It is possible that the OP is right, although still subject to change, and it is possible, however unlikely, that the player will need to get a Dhalmal Saliva to break cap.

I'm not wrong when I state that BG is semi-informative, because an informative website wouldn't have all of that idiotic dribble that BG has. The ratio of informative to non-informative dribble that website has is about (estimation) 1:500 posts. You can not say with a straight face that BG is informative at all.

I don't even trust BG wiki because most of that website was a complete copy of Gamer Escape and the original wiki. The only thing that people have added were the mathy parts of minor issues. I trust GE more than I trust BG for current and accurate information.

Also, mods really should start banning people for inappropriate use of the tags, like they said in the ToS that they would.

Nevermind that BG-wiki preceeded GE.

[Yugl]

Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that BG is the first source for everything in this game?

Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

[Byrth]

Honestly, work picked up and I haven't looked for plagiarism in months. It looks like it's going to shake down like this:
BGwiki - Information on new stuff, mathy things, etc. Added benefit of having a fairly spartan layout and no ads.
Wikia - Will have the bulk of the user-submitted comments, things like BCNM testimonies or where to go for Magian trials.
GE - I'm not sure. At the moment it's almost exclusively information ripped from wikia or bgwiki, with the same number of ads and goofy layout as wikia. The only advantage it has over wikia is active moderation, so the only reason for people to use this is if the trolling on ffxiclopedia gets so bad that it becomes unusable.

I'd like to dream people may someday edit BGwiki the way they edit wikia, but fact of the matter is that Wikia is what the majority of FFXI users know and use, and BGwiki has spare exposure by comparison. It's not really the 1000+ edit members that bgwiki lacks as much as the 10 edit members.

Still, it's fun for me to go through and rework things like job abilities , job traits , and game mechanics to see what we know and what we don't. I'm having fun when I have time to invest in it, so I'm more than happy to keep updating bgwiki. Be forewarned, some of it (like the latter half of the trait alphabet) is still a work in progress. The test server is a *very* fun tool for stuff like this though.

[Gokku]

op is updated with orcish axe. ill update links to all the items when im fully awake.

@lol pchan

and omg you guys and the tags.

[Aliekber]

The word you're looking for is "drivel", not "dribble", Korpg. And BG tends to be reliable on this sort of thing.

[MarkovChain]

@lol pchan

You didn't like how mathed your WS gear to be bad ?

[Korpg]

Nevermind that BG-wiki preceeded GE.

I know that, but Wiki preceded BG wiki. And is more used also.

Like I said, the majority of the information came from wiki, and the newer content can be found on both GE and BG. I use GE mostly because it has most of the information from wiki, and some of the useful stuff from BG (a combination of both, instead of having to check 2 different websites for different information). But GE is also self-correcting, so it would be more accurate than the limited viewpoints of BG.

Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

What is wiki anyway, besides a compilation of sources of information into one simple to use website. Are you going to start accusing all wikis of "stealing" information then? Wikis are great places to start looking for information and can expand on that information based on sources (FFXI wiki doesn't really need sources since most of the information there can be verified on the game, not from other sources of information (forums), you can do the missions and battlefields from the information on the wiki instead of having to look at pointless jabber (BG, KI, FFXIAH) for pages on end to get the little jewel of information those websites offer on occasion).

It is funny to claim knowledge on a game. There is no real plagiarism because all aspects of your knowledge is based on a recreation activity and not on actual important information you would need to make real decisions of your life. But keep fighting for the right to say that you came up with that aspect of how to swing an axe on an online game.

[Gokku]

You didn't like how mathed your WS gear to be bad ?

byakko : ( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*140)*( 0.31*2.3*1.14 +0.79*1.3)=2071

usukane :
( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*145)*( 0.30*2.3*1.10 +0.80*1.3)*1.03=2119

thats 2071 vs 2119 your talking 48 difference pchan 48... thats less then 1% dps difference

also I HAVE USU LEGS your retarded if your going to attack someones gear make sure they dont have the resources to change there gear instantly to the better set. let alone try and act high and mighty of a less then 1% difference.


critical : 10% base on Victory smite, 10% from ddex, merits, before leg.
ive already dis proven that to be incorrect with a quick abyssea test VS's natural crit rate is at least double what they tested closing the gap on the legs further.

troll harder

P.S. anyone else see the hypocrisy in pchan trying to be an elitist and call someone out on a 1% gear change XD

[MarkovChain]

Just for your information, VS getting 20% base crit (not proven by you) makes your gear even more mediocre. I see I tought you something, it's called math. I only called you on the gear you wanted to show in that thread, acting like it's allmighty when it's actually below average, and pretty dumb seeing how you spammed tier III synergy for inferior gear. I also see that you posted in the augment thread on BG you wonderful pair of byakko maybe hping that someone wouls confort you in your bad gear choices. It means you don't know how to gear your monk, and are mad when called on it.

[Byrth]

Well, two things I guess:
1) People aren't reading these values out of the game and posting them. They're doing testing and writing up/publishing their findings, which may or may not be correct. As such, taking the information they have written and re-/mis-representing it without a citation or permission is plagiarism.
2) They also just copypasta things I've literally written, drops I've made up, etc. The last time I looked for this it took me about 5 minutes to find it and Al fixed it within the week. I haven't bothered looking again since then really, because work has picked up.

It's not like information just appears out of nowhere. Once in a long time SE will throw us a bone and just tell us how things works, or publish some strategy guide in JP that lists trait tiers for obscure stuff like Resist Bind, but most of the time it's people taking hours out of their playtime to test things. Of everything on Wikia, the only thing I can think of that is actually de novo wikia-based research is the Drain Samba testing, which I've personally verified to be pretty accurate (I think it's actually N/256, but other than that he's pretty right). Most of the information there comes to you uncited by people who didn't do the testing and without the permission of the tester, or is cross- or first- posted on BG/elsewhere.