If RDM and SCH can't have Cure 5, give us Afflatus Misery/Solace

[Shiyo]

I did Nyzul with a WHM mainhealing while i was on brd. LOL @ a rdm ever mainhealing soulflayers and crap, would be hell. RDM's suck at mainhealing vs lots of AOE damage and status effects, esuna + shellra5 5/5 is amazing.

WHM has always been the best healer since the /sch buffs + afflatus solace/esuna/etc update. RDM was only good at healing when you didn't actually need "Healing" and needed "Haste/dia3/debuffs", aka merits and salvage(phalanx2 reduced damage to basically 0) SCH was a better healer than RDM by a lot at 75, and WHM was better than SCH. It was perfectly balanced, now it's horrible. WHM OR GTFO.

Also, no, a RDM cannot heal certain Body seal NM's or certain emp NM's, unless you're talking about lol carabosse or seal NM's that nin/dnc can solo or a blm/whm can mainheal. If a RDM or SCH can mainheal it, a WAR/WHM with refresh atmas and cruor buffs can JUST AS WELL too. That is the problem.

[SpankWustler]

Whm/Sch could have effectively done Nyzul and Dynamis last I checked, so knocking those two off leaves limbus, salvage, einherjar, and sky farming on your list.

Really, the Scholar sub and Afflatus Solace fixed a lot of the issues that White Mage previously experienced with marathon-style events. After those additions, I didn't feel nearly as pressed when I was the sole healer for something like Limbus or Salvage.

Depending on the monster type that popped up, White Mage could be super awesome in Einherjar. Esuna is amazing for dealing with the status AoEs that so many of the monster types that appear there enjoy applying.

[Shiyo]

Einherjar? Get -50% attk down bats, /cry as RDM, /esuna as WHM and lol, accession - > erase as SCH and lol almost as much as WHM.

If you honestly think WHM wasn't the best einherjar healer, and RDM was barely a viable healer there, I don't know what to tell you.

[Siiri]

Whm/Sch could have effectively done Nyzul and Dynamis last I checked, so knocking those two off leaves limbus, salvage, einherjar, and sky farming on your list.

Sure they could have, and did sometimes. I was talking about my experiences. Why I said your milage may vary. Certainly Red mage was preferred in nyzul, it was obvious in shouts. Anyway, I am done arguing this minor point. Funny thing is, I haven't even said my opinion on the Cure V mess. I do wish red mage and scholar were more viable main heals. Most white mages I know outside of myself or a couple others leveled the job as a bandwagon and they pretty much suck. I would love to be able to come DD to an event and not have a garbage mage trying to heal. I just don't know the answer. I have agreed with the proposal put up numerous times strip the enmity down off Cure V and just buff white mage tranquil heart way up vs. the other 2 jobs, but SE doesn't seem to want to go there. Maybe making healing skill matter would help as well. I just can't say I agree with slapping Cure V on red mage and scholar as is.

Sorry to edit: addressing einherjar. I was an officer in my shell and one of my big pushes was white mage main heal for every party. They founded the shell with the idea, from Blue Gartr threads, to make einherjar parties like colibri parties. Our first few months we went red mage main heal. There was epic discussion on forum with me pushing white mage heal. I do agree white mage heal was better, it was a mindset that red mage was sooo awesome everywhere.

[Shiyo]

WHM was a better healer than RDM always, much more MP efficient thanks to sublimation/light arts/penury, stronger cures, better barspells, better shell, etc. People always argued convert/refresh made a RDM have more cures/mp than a WHM, this is simply wrong. I never experienced such a thing, I experienced the complete opposite. When people needed cure bombing a WHM was ALWAYS better, and always kept their up up much better than a RDM. A RDM would slowly fall behind and lose the MP war, letting people die. This was even more true when it came to AOE damage, a RDM is the worst AOE healer in the game(still is).

RDM was just a viable substitute healer, instead of being completely unviable and worthless <_< Healer balance is completely broken.

[SpankWustler]

Most white mages I know outside of myself or a couple others leveled the job as a bandwagon and they pretty much suck. I would love to be able to come DD to an event and not have a garbage mage trying to heal.

Every time I hear somebody say this, for some reason, the ending of Chinatown plays in my head. I think it's because the truth is generally really depressing, and this statement is always true.

[Shiyo]

Most white mages I know outside of myself or a couple others leveled the job as a bandwagon and they pretty much suck. I would love to be able to come DD to an event and not have a garbage mage trying to heal.

Yeah, I literally cannot play a DD job without my mule WHM healing me or I'll die to the dumbest crap ever, never be hasted, and never be -na'd properly. It makes the game very unfun :/ There's like 0 good WHM's on my server. I didn't realize the easiest job in the game to play was so complex...

[Jerbob]

I'm sorry, but that's the most disrespectful thing I've heard in a long time. White Mage is easy if you're fighting something that's easy to kill - just the same as any other job - or if you've only got one person to heal, like your mule. Conversely, if I'm in a group fighting something that AoE paralyses or silences, deals AoE damage, slows, blinds and goodness knows what else then I'm literally casting 100% of the time keeping status effects off people and keeping them healthy. This is with Divine Benison's fast cast on ailment removal spells and capped cure casting time reduction, fast cast and all that jazz.

White mage isn't easy on monsters that you need a white mage for. I'm busy. So I'm sorry if your blindna is 10 seconds late when I'm dropping Cure Vs on a tank who's struggling with Utsusemi, or you aren't hasted the instant it drops because everyone else just got silenced and I've got to deal with that first. I have to prioritise, and 10 seconds of blindness or lack of haste are pretty low on my priority list when people are dying.

I love my job as a white mage precisely because I'm busy all the time. I don't appreciate people telling me that my job is boring, easy, a "curebot", or that I'm no good because I've not removed your AGI down when I've got more important things to do right at that moment. Sorry to be so aggressive, but I hear this sort of thing constantly on this forum and it does start getting to me.

[Shiyo]

The job is like half a SCH or 1/3 a RDM, I basically do everything on WHM without thinking because I'm used to doing those things on SCH and RDM, while also doing MUCH MUCH MORE(debuffs, sleeps, dispels, breaks, refresh,nukes, binds, etc).

It's not a hard job at all, the other mages are much more complex and difficult. I will say it's harder than a loldd like mnk though.

The most complex things on WHM is proper esuna/sacrifice use. I rarely ever see anyone use sacrifice properly without being told to.

[SpankWustler]

People are talking about generally talking about White Mages who have mastered the art of wandering away from the computer, complain if someone changes trousers and momentarily vanishes as a result, allow paralyze to age like the finest European cheese, and feel Haste is the such a luxury that it should be taxed. There are people who suck at FFXI in ways you can not imagine.

I don't think anybody cares about five extraneous seconds of Blindness one way or the other.