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[Malamasala]

I'm not sure 300TP Spinning Dives do any more damage than 0TP Spinning Dives. I don't know how TP is modding that, but it's in some non-obvious way (perhaps crit rate?).

I'm a firm believer that TP does nothing unless it gets eaten. Only exception I think exists is how BLU TP helps their spell accuracy, but that might just be some random rumor I once heard.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That's just a rumor, TP doesn't affect physical blue spells without CA/Efflux I believe, and mainly affects them in the way described in the description of the spell (if it says damage varies by TP etc.). Holding TP on BLU does nothing but make you deal less damage.

[Korpg]

Avatar TP does not lower at all with Physical BPs. You can test this yourself by typing /pettp before a Physical BP, use that Physical BP, and type /pettp again.

[Alhanelem]

That's just a rumor

It's not a rumor, it's a fact. I'm more sure about it than everything else I've said on this forum ever.

Physical BPs do not consume TP (really, just use <pettp> before and after. It's not hard.). Magic BPs do.

Magic BPs gain a clear benefit from TP. Physical BPs don't. Not just damage BPs either, healing bloodpacts all gain potency from TP.

If TP isn't consumed, it's not doing anything.

[Korpg]

It's not a rumor, it's a fact. I'm more sure about it than everything else I've said on this forum ever.

Physical BPs do not consume TP (really, just use <pettp> before and after. It's not hard.). Magic BPs do.

Magic BPs gain a clear benefit from TP. Physical BPs don't. Not just damage BPs either, healing bloodpacts all gain potency from TP.

If TP isn't consumed, it's not doing anything.

He was talking about BLU spells and being effected by TP outside of Chain Affinity. He was not talking about BPs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: Korpg got it, nitpick Efflux is included to that but otherwise yes that was what I meant.

[Alhanelem]

Ah, OK. somewhere I missed that.

[Tannlore]

If you are in an alliance, and you are hitting the mob people are fighting, you are feeding it TP by hitting it. Thus, even if you are contributing significantly by hitting the mob, you are still costing allies resources, by causing more TP moves from the mob.

So does everything that hits the nm. This is why you TP on other mobs. Who said I... or any smn with a brain would be TPing on the nm? Again, smn = solo job. I can easily pull off any nearby mob by myself, not need to bother a nearby healer to babysit me and build my own tp... and while I'm at it, send the avatar off BP the nm (or not even if it's a merit BP, they are ranged) and still work on building TP.

This point is moot, old, and needs to stop being brought up. It doesn't hold water for other jobs, it doesn't hold water here either. There are other methods for building TP than beating on the nm the alliance is fighting: Wings, nearby mobs, etc.

Only a moron would feed nms tp like this ya?

[Economizer]

I was not attacking you, condemning your playstyle or saying anything that wasn't completely true. I was merely answering the question. Note that I said "even if you are contributing significantly" which would be everyone hitting the mob. Further, you said "doing damage with my staff", implying you were hitting the mob in the theoretical situation. Not every situation has side mobs for you to hit, and other methods of TP gain can either expensive items or other factors that drain ally resources.

Please don't assume everyone is attacking you, I was merely answering the question you asked about gameplay mechanics. TP build costs allied resources.

[Alhanelem]

Not every situation has side mobs for you to hit, and other methods of TP gain can either expensive items or other factors that drain ally resources.

until the "resources" you are "costing" become significant, everything is fine. e.g. unless the WHM(s) is/are struggling to keep everyone alive, then you're not damaging the group's success.