Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

[Pebe]

Some very incomplete Embrava testing (Did not test haste, focused on regen and regain). I decided to do this test after they said they lowered the requirements to hit tiers of embrava.

-This test tests Enhancing magic skill, Mind, and MP, and thier how they affect Embrava
-All tests use only celerity and penury unless stated otherwise
-Lvl 95 SCH/BLM (warp purposes <.<)

Test 1: No Gear
-Enhancing Magic skill - 376
-Max MP - 1002
-Mind - 77
Embrava - Regen = 54, Regain = 4

Test 2: Enhancing Gear
-Enhancing Magic Skill - 418
-Mind - 92
-Max MP = 1345
Embrava - Regen = 60, Regain = 5

Notes - In this test enhancing,mp, and mind all increase making it very inconclusive. I realized this, but decided to keep it in after the results of my next test. I believe enhancing is what made the increase in embrava here. You'll see why soon.

Abyssea Tests~

Test 3
Enhancing magic - 418
Max Mp - 2057
Mind - 92
Embrava - Regen = 60, Regain = 5

Notes - As you can see from this test, there was about a 700 increase in mp, without an increase in mind or enhancing magic, but no increase in embrava. So it can be concluded that either enhancing or mind made the difference in test 2. What led me to believe that mind plays a role is that when the person who tested in ffxiah said he did test in abyssea he did not specify whether or not he only got mp buffs like i did in this test or other buffs as well. Since mp doesn't seem to play a huge role, I assumed another factor was adding to embrava and that led me to mind. The poster who tested on ffxiah said he also saw an increase when he used a brew. Which led me to believe that it either took a huge amount of mp to see increases or an increase in mind since brew also gives capped mind. (I'm assuming mind since int effects kaustra, it was the first thing that came to mind. Heck, it could even be affected by chr...) Which leads us to test 6! But before that, test 4 and 5 test the affects of penury and rapture on Embrava.

Test 4 - Same as test 3, without the use of penury (Remember all tests use penury and celerity unless otherwise stated)
Embrava - Regen = 60, Regain = 5
Conclusion = Penury doesn't affect Embrava potency. We couldn't rule this out automatically because of test 3 because we are still unsure as to whether or not a really large mp boost does indeed affect embrava. Although, whether it does or not serves no purpose because it is unrealistic to reach those values without a brew.

Test 5 - Only Rapture is used in this test (Didn't have time to penury or celerity, 2hr was wearing off soon! Although, because of test 4, not having penury on shouldn't make a difference)
Embrava - Regain = 5.

Notes = Now I was unable to get the regen values for this one. I forgot to record them before my hp maxed out. 60 hp a tic caps out a mages hp fast >.>. But there was no new tier on regain, so i'm going to say rapture doesn't affect Embrava but I am not sure.

Post Break - I am posting this now to save it, I need to use bathroom! Mind testing will be posted in about 15 mins!

Edit: Here is the rest

Test 6
Enhancing magic - 418
MP = 1345 (just in case, i brought my mp back down)
Mind=202

Embrava:
Regen = 66 (hmmmm......)
Regain = 5 (hmmm.. no change.... -.-)

Notes - this is where things got confusing, you'll see after next test

Test 7 - Aurastorm
-Same as above but with aurastorm
Embrava:
Regen = 63 (hmmm....)
Regain = 5

Ok, now, I'm sure what to make of this. Also i noticed when i clicked off embrava I still had some regen going. Very low, like 1 a tick, now that I think back on it, it was probably my serpentes saboots which I was using for a quick mp set. Very stupid of me to wear them. Although they only give 1 regen so they shouldn't make much difference, the increase should be easy to see. But I'm curious as to why the decreases after i casted aurastorm. These two tests were done under the same 2hr with the same buffs. It is possible that i accidetly recorded the wrong numbers for before and after when calculating the regen on this one. However, for now, I'm going to conclude that mind does not have a huge impact on embrava. I need to redo all these tests using the recast of a spell (probably reraise) so they will be more accurate. Specifically the last two. It is also possible that the three aspects of embrava cap of at different lvls of enhancing and possibly mind. I may just be thinking to much into it. I'm not sure when I'll get around to the recast testing.

[Pebe]

Last two tests added

[Merton9999]

Thanks, Pebe!

This is getting better. 5 Regain is the least I expected from a 2-hour spell in an update where we get no help to healing. 60 Regen isn't too shabby either (or did test 3 really push it to 66?). Meh on it not being a Regen V, castable any time, but kudos to the dev team for at least pumping this up a bit.

A few other questions for you:

1. This seems obvious but just to verify: Penury does reduce the MP cost to 15% of MP, yes?
2. What is the casting time, before Celerity?
3. What is the duration now, without Perpetuance?
4. Is the animation interesting? If it's the Brave spell from the dats it looked kinda boring

[Pebe]

1. Didn't check will next time.
2. Didn't check will next time :P
3. Didn't check, will next time XD
4. Ehh it kind of like brave.

Let me go get the answers for your questions now, brb in 5 mins

[Pebe]

Ok sorry it took so long, stupid embrava duration.
-All tests done as lvl 95 SCH/BLM with no gear
-All test done with light arts up ( i wanted to do without but needed to use penury to answer merton's question)

Mp cost with penury = 150/1002 = 14.97%
-This is interesting, it doesn't seem light arts benefit works for Embrava (Spell MP cost -10% i believe it is)

Casting without celerity = 3 seconds
-I want to say give or take .3 seconds because of light arts benefit, but now i'm not sure.

Duration without perpetuance - 5 mins

I wonder if this means the dark arts penalty would not affect these spells either hmmm.. But who would want to cast it in dart arts enhancing skill >.>

[Merton9999]

Ok sorry it took so long, stupid embrava duration.
-All tests done as lvl 95 SCH/BLM with no gear
-All test done with light arts up ( i wanted to do without but needed to use penury to answer merton's question)

Mp cost with penury = 150/1002 = 14.97%
-This is interesting, it doesn't seem light arts benefit works for Embrava (Spell MP cost -10% i believe it is)

Casting without celerity = 3 seconds
-I want to say give or take .3 seconds because of light arts benefit, but now i'm not sure.

Duration without perpetuance - 5 mins

I wonder if this means the dark arts penalty would not affect these spells either hmmm.. But who would want to cast it in dart arts enhancing skill >.>

The 10% LA reduction never applies to Penury - you get the flat 50% reduction (plus the AF3 pants Conserve MP)

3 second casting time is good. What about the recast? 5 minute duration is a great base. Does Perpetuance extend that to 10 minutes, and do AF+2 hands extend it to 12.5?

Thanks again man!

[Pebe]

<< Is not staring at a screen to 10 mins to wait for embrava to wear off, at least not today XD The recast is low I'll get the value for you tomorrow probably, ls event starting soon. Since Accession works, I'm assuming perpetuance works. Will test later when i do the haste test on embrava. Thanks btw for pointing out the bonus doesn't apply with penury, I completely forgot.

Edit: Now i also need to test exactly how much mp is taken with light arts only and not penury.... Whether its 27% or 30%, although it doesn't really matter.

[Eric]

Perpetuance works. I would post some screenshots, but there's really no way to prove it from a screenshot lol.

[Pebe]

Mega edit: I made a mistake, test 4 regen is 60 not 66. My bad.

[TimeMage]

Thanks a lot Bepe for the tests, they're really insightful. Could you test haste next? I'm sure you're doing it or will do soon, but wanted to ask anyway

As for Casting Embrava in Dark Arts, don't worry: You're using your 2HR, so of course skill is B+ in all magic skills. I don't know if you'll get the +15 from AF1 legs, though.