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    If you need accuracy there are plenty of headgear and neck gear that will surpass full >AF3+2 + rancor. Rancor is cool and all but doesn't increase WS frequency unlike accuracy so it counts as half as good as what it atually is. 5% crit makes it +2.5% damage since you can always WS in the same gear when comparing two different TP setups. On top of my head brisk mask caps your haste and adds accuracy.


    If you are easy on accuracy, then ugh ... That mask from voidwatch of fail is probably decent but are you capped on str ? (you need +48 str to cap so endgame probably 150+ str).

    If you are uncapped fstr, heafoc mitts + 4/5 AF3+2 seems the best combo. 13 str means 4 DMG(fstr) and 6 attack so it's like AF3+2 gloves with 3 more DMG. If you do endgame you don't cap fstr, safe assumption.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 09-01-2011 at 05:21 PM.

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    I simulated level 95 MNK against a target with 110 VIT. It's basically normal gear + (Full AF3+2 for TP) vs (4/5 AF3+2 + heafoc mitts). Assuming capped accuracy uncapped attack. Full set comes ahead by about 0.32% >< [since I don't know excatly the next MA tier I kept the one of level 90, and assumed relic horn so that both set don't have delay difference, though 3/1024 haste loss is no big deal]

    If I replace heafoc by bandomusha kotes I find the same damage as full set.

    Next I compared 4/5 tantra+2 + ganesha's mask (assumed that the 4% applies to all attack from food gear etc, again, RCB assumed and dia3, as well as uncapped fstr : 110 vit target, and capped acc). Full tantra win by 1.1% (mostly from fstr gained)

    Meh nothing happened. Full AF3+2 still better.
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    First: Updated spreadsheet with new formulations for KA rates and set bonus. Also adjusted so you can set the level between 90 and 95, using the new skill rate scaling.

    Brisk Mask should be nearly identical to Ganesha's; the Store TP mostly makes up for the lower attack (not counting the extra accuracy), though Ganesha's would still be better defensively (+HP, no -eva). Both beat Tantra+2 head if you keep fStr capped without the AF3's str; if the str contributes to fStr, they all end up basically on par (not counting acc; if acc matters, Brisk wins by a pretty good margin).

    Offensively, Rancor Collar wins over Faith, especially at 95 when it won't gain you another point of base damage over the gloves, unless you need the acc. If you do need the acc, Faith (or better, Agasaya) wins handily. Tantra necklace puts up a mediocre showing in all conditions.

    If you keep Faith and swap out hands instead, Bando is a small step up from Tantra hands. However swapping out head for Brisk or Ganesha's is better than swapping out hands for Bando, even ignoring accuracy.

    And on fStr, Heafoc's (assuming acc doesn't matter at all) + Tantra head is marginally better than Ganesha's + Tantra hands.


    Side note: all this is with Verethragna; don't feel like re-doing it for other weapon delays where the contribution of the Store TP on Brisk may be different.

    Overall, I'd go with Rancor + Tantra+2 set for most things, and swap in Brisk Mask and Faith or Agasaya if you need the acc.
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    im about to go and do a small sample on VS's crit rate to get an idea of what it is should have about a 5% error margin.

    quick test shows with no double/ tripple attack gear atmas of RR GH SS VS has at LEAST a 15% chance to crit. it may be higher but im out of time for right now first and only none Crit smite occured @ WS 16/20 all mobs were trents in abys altepa and had less then 10% hp and i was with 100-110tp at all times on monk/dnc to control tp. this is posted from pg if anyone wants to pick up were i left off. All tp returns are of 5%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    It shouldn't take long to ballpark it.

    As soon as you get a non-crit, bump your crit rate up and keep going. For instance:
    * 75% Crit rate, see a non-crit pretty quickly (~within 10) -> Put on SQ instead of SS.
    * 75% Crit rate, takes a while to see a non-crit (~within 20) -> Use Rancor Collar.
    * If you keep getting crits with RR/GH, drop GH down to SQ and see how that goes.

    If you can do 50 crit Victory Smites in a row without seeing a non-crit, you can be fairly sure you're within 5% of a 100% crit rate. For "proof" that you're at or within 1% of a 100% crit rate (aka, you've found the crit rate boost), you need to do about 300 crit Victory Smites in a row. For what you're asking though, it seems like within 5% should be good enough.

    Obviously don't use Impetus or anything, and keep any crit rate gear locked either on or off. Also, you need to watch your TP return. Missing the first hit would maybe make it look like a non-crit.
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    guys there will most likely be better options than rancor necklace, B.kote or haste heads at 95. Not to mention the possibility of other H2H+ gears. wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motenten View Post
    Brisk Mask should be nearly identical to Ganesha's
    One less reason to do voidwatch (tried it and it's not fun anyway, rancor collar can be bought at the AH). I have the feeling that any new gear belonging to the 5 visible slots that they will release next is going to fail hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    quick test shows with no double/ tripple attack gear atmas of RR GH SS VS has at LEAST a 15% chance to crit. it may be higher but im out of time for right now first and only none Crit smite occured @ WS 16/20 all mobs were trents in abys altepa and had less then 10% hp and i was with 100-110tp at all times on monk/dnc to control tp. this is posted from pg if anyone wants to pick up were i left off. All tp returns are of 5%.
    You saw a non-crit = it means that you crit rate was < 100%. Your atma setup give 50% crit rate, and also you are getting 25% from merit+ Ddex, makes it 75%. In other words you showed that VS's crit rate is < 25% (<=24% since everything is integer) too. If you repeat the test with rancor collar for instance you could pinpoint the interval of the innate VS crit. For instance if you don't see any non-crit with RR+GH+SS and rancor then it means that it is > or = 20%. You showed that you used a headgear with 3% crit rate in the other thread too so that will help putting the crit rate in an interval of length 3% at worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monchat View Post
    guys there will most likely be better options than rancor necklace, B.kote or haste heads at 95. Not to mention the possibility of other H2H+ gears. wait and see.
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    the ring isnt worth it but the earring HELL YES earring + faith + tantra = +1 dmg
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    The ear would most likely not beat regain,4 att and 4acc.
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