Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Insaniac]

Thank you Camate!

Does this post mean that at the moment WSs can not increase TH?

And could you tell the dev team that bully not being so terrible during solo/duo play would be awesome since that is one of the only places a THF really shines. I am fine with scaling effects based on party size but starting the scaling at useless seems kinda mean ;_;.

[Nebo]

Another adjustment we will be making is reducing the recast timer for “Bully” from 5 minutes to 3 minutes based off feedback and what we have been monitoring on the test server


Depending on how many players are in the battle, the rate of intimidation will increase (*2), so please try it out (of course there is a cap).

A 30 second duration is still too short.

[FrankReynolds]

Little rays of sunshine. Glad to hear that they are trying to make bully better.

FYI, I don't think anyone is nearly as interested in seeing treasure hunter level as they are in seeing what the actual drop rate increase is. This may have been lost in translation?

I want to see something that says " Hey every body! The Thief just increased drop rates by ----- amount! aren't you glad you brought a Thief?"

Of course this would also require that Thief main actually had that effect, which we currently don't.

I could be way off on this, but I don't remember the chat log part being the real issue. Anyways, Thanks for the hard work.

[Zirael]

Thank you Camate!

Does this post mean that at the moment WSs can not increase TH?

And could you tell the dev team that bully not being so terrible during solo/duo play would be awesome since that is one of the only places a THF really shines. I am fine with scaling effects based on party size but starting the scaling at useless seems kinda mean ;_;.

Oh, bugger, so my original assumption of it not working on SA/TA-WS and SA/TA-Feint might've been correct... And here, after reading this thread, I told my friends that; I'm still upgrading on those SA-Rudras, but they just can't see it, hahaha. They'll burn me alive ._.

[Karbuncle]

I figured it didn't proc on WS...

Either way, Thanks VM Camate, It may not be exactly what we want, but everything you gave us right now is positive, so its good news

Could you possibly convince them to make Bully last 60sec? 3min rec 1min dur allows us to keep it up 33% of the time, Which would make it quite useful, but i dont think overpowered. They might... Its shaping up to be pretty nice, lets take it just one step further!

[Byrth]

Holy lolTHF, batman.

I guess it's good news that they're going to let you proc more, but I was already assuming TH could upgrade on any WS hit (like all 6 hits of Evisceration). Not to mention that the whole proc system doesn't matter at all until someone figures out what it does, if it does anything.

Camate, could you please reassure us that the proc system (and TH III) give a drop rate increase? So far we have been unable to confirm it ourselves. If possible, could you just tell us how Treasure Hunter works?

[FrankReynolds]

If possible, could you just tell us how Treasure Hunter works?

Or better yet, Just make it powerful enough that we don't have to WONDER if its working. It shouldn't take killing and documenting 10,000 monsters and the drop rates just to prove that the benefits of higher tiers actually exist. That should be a giant Flashing red warning light to the Developers that the effect is broken and or worthless.

They have no problem doing this with !!! procs. I don't see why it should be a problem for Thief.

[DebbieGibson]

THF main being required just for the one job trait would really suck. Though I guess having to level another alt is better than having to do everything twice as much as I would have to otherwise.

[Juxtaposition]

Or better yet, Just make it powerful enough that we don't have to WONDER if its working. It shouldn't take killing and documenting 10,000 monsters and the drop rates just to prove that the benefits of higher tiers actually exist. That should be a giant Flashing red warning light to the Developers that the effect is broken and or worthless.

They have no problem doing this with !!! procs. I don't see why it should be a problem for Thief.

Have you not done seal farming with and without a THF? The effect of TH is very noticeable. Grellow with TH you get 3-4 (+1 timed NMs) with an occasional 2; Grellow without TH nets you 1-2, with an occasional 3 and very rare 0.

What you are asking for is for TH to turn on staggers, with +70% increases to the treasure pool.

I wouldn't be surprised if TH multiplies the chance for an idea to drop, so if TH7 gives a +10% increase to drops, something like seals who drop 90% of the time with Grellow, go up to 99% drop. However, something that has a terrible drop rate, like Kings pop items, say 10% drop rate would only go up to 11% total drop chance - not as big of an impact.

It goes without saying those numbers are ones I pulled from my bum to illustrate my point.

It would be nice, though, if the Tanakan powers that be would tell us exactly how it works, but I expect we will never get such a mechanical question answered.

[Nebo]

Have you not done seal farming with and without a THF?.

All the time. Especially low man, you make sure you have your essential jobs first: DDTank/WHM/Weakness trigger jobs, etc and THEN if you have a non-essential slot left over you see about bringing a THF main for TH & drops.

Anyone else can /THF (or BST or RNG for that matter) for TH II (usually the WHM/THF) and get very similar results as THF main. THF main has been third string for making things drop for quite a while....especially since all the new endgame events started to have weakness trigger requirements for good droprates (Or worse events like Voidwatch or any KSNM/BCNM/ENM etc where TH doesn't do anything).

Weakness Trigger > THF main every time. If someone needs seals/+2 items and there isn't a BLM coming with us, I CHANGE from THF to BLM to get better drops.

That. Shit. Is F*cked up.