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  1. #231
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    Christ SE, would it kill you to update the flavor text on Stratagems? Accession has never worked on all Healing or Enhancing magic, just change it to "Extends the effect of certain white magic spells ....." and follow through with the rest. Change Enlightenment to "Allows access to both addenda for your next spell" since it has never optimized both Arts - better yet just copy the effect Tabula Rasa gives to it, but who am I to suggest something that should be common sense?

    Though, if getting the spells natively is the criteria for making poorly worded Stratagems work with them, I think I just found more fuel to my "Give Scholar native access to basic enfeebling spells" fire. If Accession Paralyze already works, I'm going to complain at SE for specifically stating Haste wouldn't work with it, but never mentioning what new spells will work with it. Can't say I'm a fan of shadow adjustments, though hopefully they pull one for Modus when lowering its recasts, not that I'd be happy at them for avoiding taking fault and acting like there was never anything wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Hmmm, Curious if you could Manifestation Dread Spikes! im going to test this now. BRB with answer,
    No you can't, Sad day.

    Didn't work with EnDark either

    However i can confirm Spikes worked...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotek View Post
    Change Enlightenment to "Allows access to both addenda for your next spell" since it has never optimized both Arts - better yet just copy the effect Tabula Rasa gives to it, but who am I to suggest something that should be common sense?
    Considering the new link of mini-2hour spells for many of the jobs (mainly Red Mage and Black Mage), this would be a good idea.

    Ability: All magic is optimized, and you can use any Stratagems for the next spell you cast. Stratagems are free.

    It would only work on one spell, which would be pretty balanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merton9999 View Post
    Agreed! I've found it pretty useful in and out of Aby. The only gripe I have is you miss out on the light arts enhancing magic bonus, but tbh I really don't know how the effects are determined on the other targets without enhancing skill. Haven't tested it on anyone other than a PLD.
    Can't use Perpetuance either ;_;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
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    \m/ (*.*) \m/ "THIS SOLUTION IS THE MOST METAL!" \m/ (*.*) \m/

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    hmm found other evidence that my claim may be misinformed

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    Embrava is 4tp per tick regain at level 95. More info from the test server coming soon. Kaustra (wearing SCH AF +2) did 700-ish damage on mobs in Valkurm, and 288 dmg on Clionids in Abyssea. All of this is with every single magic skill capped. ; ; Will try with elemental seal in a bit.

    Edit: Here are some images.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/kaustra2.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/kaustra3.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/embrava.png/

    Edit #2: I think Kaustra might be broken on the test server, because none of the mobs I used it on showed any signs of slip damage, including a few mandragoras in sarutabaruta and sheep in valkurm as a level 30.
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    Last edited by Eric; 08-29-2011 at 06:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Embrava is 4tp per tick regain at level 95. More info from the test server coming soon. Kaustra (wearing SCH AF +2) did 700-ish damage on mobs in Valkurm, and 288 dmg on Clionids in Abyssea. All of this is with every single magic skill capped. ; ; Will try with elemental seal in a bit.

    Edit: Here are some images.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/kaustra2.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/kaustra3.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/embrava.png/

    Edit #2: I think Kaustra might be broken on the test server, because none of the mobs I used it on showed any signs of slip damage, including a few mandragoras in sarutabaruta and sheep in valkurm as a level 30.
    Given the huge change in damage between low and high Intelligence targets, the initial damage might not be broken and may just be heavily reliant on dINT just like Helix spells. I would be less than shocked.

    Maybe try it in your helix set and see if the result makes you feel less like using a kitten to smother an infant? I mean, I fully expect you'll still feel that way about the result, just not to such an extent.
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    My apologies if spikes actually does work with manifestation, thanks for the super secret ninja buff who ever you are. Clearly I am defeat, I'll try to make the point clearer in the future.
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    Last edited by Ank; 08-30-2011 at 12:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    Considering the new link of mini-2hour spells for many of the jobs (mainly Red Mage and Black Mage), this would be a good idea.

    Ability: All magic is optimized, and you can use any Stratagems for the next spell you cast. Stratagems are free.

    It would only work on one spell, which would be pretty balanced.
    Not really my complaint. Enlightenment reads that it should give you equal access to both Arts just like Tabula Rasa, however all it does it give you access to both Addendum, if you're in Dark Arts and you want to cast Reraise II you'll still get a 20% increase in MP cost and cast time, when according to its description it should have a 10% reduction in both. Though ideally I want Enlightenment to switch you to the other Addendum, since I've never seen any real use in casting a single spell from the other.

    Free Stratagem for the next spell you cast is actually a suggestion I've put out though, albeit slightly differently - next spell doesn't use up Stratagems while still gaining their full effect. The effect from the ability would wear off rather than the Stratagems, it'd be very useful for things like Immanence and buffing and Stratagem management in general.
    Ideally a Tabula Rasa update would have given it a effect just like that (the AF3 boss NPC gets this exact effect) rather than just extending the duration by 50%, since mine - and most peoples - biggest complaint with it is the massive loss of time reapplying Stratagems. Even with the duration increase I'm still going to be losing a great deal of time between spells reapplying. Though from what I gathered from the description, the Black and Red Mage abilities can be used on targets, a Scholar version of that isn't exactly as useful, Stratagems are limited to Scholar and /Scholar, while instant cast and free MP cost are universally useful for Mages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Embrava is 4tp per tick regain at level 95. More info from the test server coming soon. Kaustra (wearing SCH AF +2) did 700-ish damage on mobs in Valkurm, and 288 dmg on Clionids in Abyssea. All of this is with every single magic skill capped. ; ; Will try with elemental seal in a bit.

    Edit: Here are some images.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/kaustra2.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/kaustra3.png/
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/embrava.png/

    Edit #2: I think Kaustra might be broken on the test server, because none of the mobs I used it on showed any signs of slip damage, including a few mandragoras in sarutabaruta and sheep in valkurm as a level 30.
    <Yawn> Color me surprised that the two hour spells are this pathetic. Libra, Animus and Adloquium all over again. If Kaustra stays that disappointing I'm actually glad they changed the name from Merton. I wouldn't want my favorite spell name to be so gimpy.

    Thanks for the info, though, Eric. This is what I get for being a spoiler junkie I guess. Out of curiosity what atmas were you using for the sand sweeper damage? tbh the 800ish value isn't that much higher than a normal Aby helix with the right atmas. If the only benefit of this spell is slightly higher damage and AOE every two hours/chest I won't know what to do but laugh.

    @Raksha
    Yeah I forgot I was disappointed at not being able to use perpetuance with spikes too. At this point I'm still just glad it works. I'm kind of scared at mentioning it here though. The way the animation goes off it actually looks like a bug when the party receives the effect. Hopefully it doesn't get nerfed.
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    Last edited by Merton9999; 08-30-2011 at 01:22 AM.

  11. #240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merton9999 View Post
    <Yawn> Color me surprised that the two hour spells are this pathetic. Libra, Animus and Adloquium all over again. If Kaustra stays that disappointing I'm actually glad they changed the name from Merton. I wouldn't want my favorite spell name to be so gimpy.

    Thanks for the info, though, Eric. This is what I get for being a spoiler junkie I guess.
    It's worth noting that the dmg I was doing was with incredibly crappy gear (although still full AF+2 like the mithra in the teaser video). What worried me at first was that since the dINT between a level 95 and a Damselfly is so large, that 800~1000 was going to be near the cap, but it remains to be seen how damage for this spell is calculated.

    Furthermore with some more help from Google Translate, I was able to see on the forums that a very well-geared JP player was able to do 1.3k dmg with it, so it's not completely disappointing if the DoT is per tick and not once every 10 seconds as with helices.

    What worries me is that the spell description says nothing about slip damage, and every time I've used it on the test server, I was unable to get the spell to do DoT damage. I really hope this is just a glitch.
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    Last edited by Eric; 08-30-2011 at 01:28 AM.

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