FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

[Karbuncle]

PLD is quite the amazing tank, Problem is most people complaining its not are (Forgive me) Probably either gimp, or haven't seen this game outside of Abyssea. Not sure why GG is being chastised here when everything he said so far has been 100% Accurate.

To the Taru-Faced fella whining about Empyreans. GG Is right, Comparatively to Relics, Mythics, and some things in this game... Empyrean weapons are quite easy. They, like most things worth your effort, take time and patience. You using "THEN WHY WONT YOU GET ME ONE LOL" as an argument is stupid and childish, and just goes to show you have absolutely no legitimate complaint because you result to arguments like that.

He explained it well, I'll explain it better, Empyreans are Easy to get, But that doesn't mean he has to go around giving people them. Its his time, and you aren't worth it. In the same light, Some high-CEO might tell you making money is easy, Is he going to hand you a few mil? No, Earn it yourself you lazy bumb < is likely the response you'll get.

He's also right in saying Enmity has never been the Problem with PLD, when people find out a mob can be tanked by a DD, they'll take the DD. The solution is not nerfing DD, its making enemies strong enough that PLD is actually worth bringing. Voidwatch is doing that, and it'll continue doing it I'm sure.

I'm not saying PLD doesn't need a buff, not saying that at all, Simply saying it has a niche, and you guys should realize that. PLD is wonderful on hard enemies, theres just so few of them right now they aren't shining as they once were. Give it time and PLD will naturally come back to the top once harder content is introduced.

PLD is a good job, and I'm sure it will get better in the future, like most jobs, it has a use now, but not a lot of people do it (Voidwatch) so you may not notice. But again I say, PLD will get its due in time.

[Andrien]

You're over looking the main problem and don't understand what he is trying to say. Yes PLD is a great tank, but this is the question. Do they get invited often? And, I mean often. Let it sink in for a while.

[Karbuncle]

You're over looking the main problem and don't understand what he is trying to say. Yes PLD is a great tank, but this is the question, do they get invited often? And, I mean often. Let it sink in for a while.

I'm not overlooking anything. I know very well why PLD doesn't get invited. I spelled it on in that post too, that is. PLD is only good on tough content, and there is very little tough content right now.

Once tougher content is released, in the very near future, They will get invited more often, You're all in a "End of the world" panic because PLD isn't useful in Abyssea, and the majority of you keep suggesting bonuses to enmity which will never ever help PLD.

Who cares if a PLD can absorb everyones enmity when, in Abyssea, where PLD has the biggest problem, No one needs that kind of control? Outside Abyssea on Voidwatch PLD doesn't need that sort of buff either, Its Enmity control is fine.

If anything one of my favorite ideas is giving PLD some sort of Resistance to Hate Resets.

If you're going to panic over this make the suggestions actually go toward helping PLD, and that would be giving them more offensive skills, which SE said "no" too, the only other option is to release much harder content.

PLD will never be wanted for easier content where DD's can tank unless PLD can suddenly put out the damage of those DD, and since SE Said "no" to that, Again i say, the only solution is content difficult enough to require a PLD.

Edit: Anyway I'm going to make my exit from this convo, Was only trying to show GG I agree with him and he's not alone. He knows this now, My work is done. I hope you guys get the buff you're wanting, Judging by the requests in this thread, it'll be as useful as Temper!

Goodluck !

[DebbieGibson]

You're over looking the main problem and don't understand what he is trying to say. Yes PLD is a great tank, but this is the question. Do they get invited often? And, I mean often. Let it sink in for a while.

Join a linkshell.

[Andrien]

@ Debbie. I swear all you do is troll Debbie. I'm an Almace PLD, BLU and working my way through Ochain. So, please stop your arrogance. FYI, I go BLU for events because it is much more useful. Nobody brings PLD or even asks.

@ Karbuncle. Never said I'm in panic. I said you're over looking the problem. To be more clear its the issue with the taru and Ochain argument. It shouldn't be the holy grail for invites imo. I consider it a tool to make things easy.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

PLD is quite the amazing tank, Problem is most people complaining its not are (Forgive me) Probably either gimp, or haven't seen this game outside of Abyssea.

The problem is that tanking in and of itself is useless. Attack is far more valuable a trait than defense, in just about every situation.

What would you rather have, an alliance of 18 PLDs, or 18 MNKs?

Not sure why GG is being chastised here when everything he said so far has been 100% Accurate.

Because he's trolling and looking for an argument, for the most part. He comes into a thread about the problems with PLD to tell them there are no problems, and then wonder out loud why people disagree with him. But that's all in the past now for me.

Comparatively to Relics, Mythics, and some things in this game... Empyrean weapons are quite easy.

Note you used the word "comparatively." Relative =/= absolute.

like most things worth your effort,

"Worth" is another relative concept. It is worth it to you.

You using "THEN WHY WONT YOU GET ME ONE LOL" as an argument is stupid and childish

It was an attempt to demonstrate that the effort to get one is worth more than he is giving credit. He's not even on my server, and I have friends/minions who would probably get me one if I asked.

If you want to talk literally, I wouldn't want to go through the process even with help and/or someone "doing it for" me. I view the entire process as not being fun, period.

Getting to Jeuno at level 20 is easy. I recognize it is easy. I will also volunteer my own time and effort to escort a level 20 job to Jeuno, even though I get absolutely nothing out of the trip. I'd even do it level sync'd to 20. Something that is truly "easy" and "near effortless" (again, on absolute terms, not "relative to an Aegis") is something you'd have no qualms at doing again for someone else. If it costs so little time and effort, what's stopping you from spending that time and effort on a stranger's behalf?

Its his time, and you aren't worth it.

If I have to be "worth it," then the time and effort must be "worth" something, mustn't it?

making enemies strong enough that PLD is actually worth bringing. Voidwatch is doing that, and it'll continue doing it I'm sure.

And it doesn't matter that I have less desire to do Voidwatch than I do to make an Ochain?

Simply saying it has a niche, and you guys should realize that.

We do. The niche is too small. Especially when most other jobs don't have to limit themselves to "niche" content.

PLD is wonderful on hard enemies, theres just so few of them right now they aren't shining as they once were. Give it time and PLD will naturally come back to the top once harder content is introduced.

It never has been "on the top." Before Abyssea, a PLD either had an Aegis, or came as a different job. PLD has been practically useless in any and all group content past level 70. No HNMs, no sky gods, no Salvage, no Nyzul, not even a merit points party.

But again I say, PLD will get its due in time.

Yeah, we'll get a buff right around the time Utsusemi: San comes out.

[AldielQuetz]

Why should a job require a relic/mythic/empyrean to be useful? WAR is useful without one, so is BLM, the argument that every PLD should go get a specific piece of gear to be useful would be like making leveling woodworking to 100 so you can adequately make your own shihei a requirement of being a NIN of any worth at 90. It isn't necessary to have a r/m/e to create balance either. PLD can be given a few offensive traits just like MNK has counter, SAM has 3rd eye, and WAR has Defense Bonus I and II, Shield Mastery, and Shield Defense Bonus. It will not break the game to give PLD the extra boost it needs to be worthwhile in Abyssea.

Tl;dr. SE stop being afraid to actually be fair and balance the game. Requiring a relic/etc/etc is not fair when other jobs keep getting refined and improved without the need for one.

Thank you!

[Tsuneo]

The problem is that tanking in and of itself is useless. Attack is far more valuable a trait than defense, in just about every situation.

What would you rather have, an alliance of 18 PLDs, or 18 MNKs

I don't know what you're going on about. Tanking is needed when a real challenge presents itself. I suppose you're so used to the game on easy mode that you forgot that things can be hard. I personally would rather have a situation where PLD is needed. Even if that situation meant slower kills than things on easy mode, I would prefer it because easy mode is boring.

[SpankWustler]

Because he's trolling and looking for an argument, for the most part. He comes into a thread about the problems with PLD to tell them there are no problems, and then wonder out loud why people disagree with him. But that's all in the past now for me.

I'm not sure why you consider correcting people who don't understand something to be trolling. Paladin's main problem is that it's only useful for tanking difficult monsters. One solution that many people, including GreatGuardian, suggest is the implementation of more hard monsters. I really like this solution, since those monsters are fun for the whole family.

Giving Paladin a lot of stuff to mess with enmity won't make it any better for situations with not-so-hard monsters, yet it seems like every other thing mentioned in relation to Paladin is "Make the monster hate me more! Make it hate me as though I left that monster for it's best friend and never returned it's vinyl LP of Emergency & I! Make it hate me so much that it doesn't drop anything just to spite me!"

Defensive abilities or traits would be nice for the situations in which Paladin is currently useful. Offensive and healing/support abilities or traits would be nice for situations in which Paladin is not currently useful. Enmity-related abilities and traits wouldn't be good for much of anything.

SE has ruled out a significant increase in offensive ability, so I'm not sure what options are left for improving Paladin in situations outside of it's niche, but more stuff to gain more enmity won't change anything for anybody. Or rather, it won't change anything for anybody who puts effort into the job and it won't change anything for the better.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

(...) when a real challenge presents itself (...) I personally would rather (...) I would prefer (...)

"PLD is only good in X content. I like X content. What's your problem? You should totally like the same things I like!"

I'm tired of this thread.