Job Manifesto discussion RE: Summoner

[Malamasala]

Using it as a hate tool to have Ramuh Tank multiple Enemies? Seems like a decent reason. Ramuh is disposable, could really help in some situations.

I dunno if it'd be much help solo, but i could see it being quite useful.

Ramuh can't survive tanking multiple mobs. Only scenario that pans out well seem to be BLMs sleepga + Ramuh shock squall for having all woken mobs chase the avatar instead of BLMs. This is because Ramuh won't have to take a beating and the enmity needs a certain level to remove hate from others. On pure links and such you'd do fine with 1 enmity on monsters since nobody else has any.

[Alhanelem]

Holy crap, that just made the already best DD in Voidwatch even more valuable.

Errr, what? I know that with these NMs, the hateless spike damage comes in handy once again (harken back to the days of old, yo!), but is it really so hard to do damage with any other job that SMN ends up being so up there? What about ranged? will ranger trick attack give them a strong spot here?

Genuine question. I have honestly yet to even touch voidwatch.

[SpankWustler]

Errr, what? I know that with these NMs, the hateless spike damage comes in handy once again (harken back to the days of old, yo!), but is it really so hard to do damage with any other job that SMN ends up being so up there? What about ranged? will ranger trick attack give them a strong spot here?

I'd say Summoner's niche in Voidwatch doesn't come from the raw damage so much as the perks that come with a Summoner's damage.

It's partly the other things Summoner can do beyond damage (Earthen Armor), and partly that they give the monster no TP (less useful if the monster has Regain, but sometimes valid). They also never require any attention from the support. Summoner is amazing in every way for fights where you want to play it very safe, and with the addition of Soothing Ruby they'll have another tool for such situations.

[Dallas]

???????????????

At least give a reason/explain a bit before dropping a line that has no answer to your own response.

Only response your going to get is...."Why"

Cataclysm.

[Malamasala]

Genuine question. I have honestly yet to even touch voidwatch.

Depends on how you play. It is good for just plowing down the NM, but usually you want to trigger stuff. For this, SMN is terrible, and the only real gain is that you can easily get JA/WS hints every 10 seconds from your assault command.

I usually just stand and get trigger info by spamming dia/diaII/banish or Assault/Retreat until 50%, at which time I swap over to dealing damage.

I've attempted to trigger stuff with spirits but you know... subbing SCH is better than a spirit. An update to spirits would be nice so I could actually help trigger stuff on my main.

[Karbuncle]

Ramuh can't survive tanking multiple mobs. Only scenario that pans out well seem to be BLMs sleepga + Ramuh shock squall for having all woken mobs chase the avatar instead of BLMs. This is because Ramuh won't have to take a beating and the enmity needs a certain level to remove hate from others. On pure links and such you'd do fine with 1 enmity on monsters since nobody else has any.

Not sure, Can put up Shock Spikes before hand, Then have Stun-ga Ready, Shock spikes add more stun, keep him alive longer. He can tank pretty well in places like Abyssea, 87.5% PDT Goes a long way, and he's a bit more disposable than a WAR.

But as a side note, I see its biggest use as you stated, giving ramuh hate after a sleepga to give BLMs time to sleep again when mobs wake up.

It has uses, Just need to think hard of them.

[Malamasala]

He can tank pretty well in places like Abyssea, 87.5% PDT Goes a long way, and he's a bit more disposable than a WAR.

Probably. I tend to never use the PDT atmas because I'm so often in parties and it seems more motivated to deal damage than to attempt to steal hate from other jobs to tank.

[Korpg]

But as a side note, I see its biggest use as you stated, giving ramuh hate after a sleepga to give BLMs time to sleep again when mobs wake up.

Which is why they give Shock Squall such a high enmity gain. Sleepga still has a lot of enmity associated with it, but with all the enmity down gear a BLM wears, doesn't really give them that much enmity, at least enough enmity that a cure 4 would take away. So, they give AoE Stun higher enmity to give Ramuh all the hate and as long as Ramuh stays out, he will die way before any BLMs will.

[Dallas]

Probably. I tend to never use the PDT atmas because I'm so often in parties and it seems more motivated to deal damage than to attempt to steal hate from other jobs to tank.

Bet someone will kite multiple mobs solo with this.

[Tannlore]

Bet someone will kite multiple mobs solo with this.

Wonder if I can relive my days of swam kiting as a bard from EQ. lol