[dev1024] Job adjustments - RDM

[Insaniac]

I'm as disappointed as anyone without a stronger enfeebling base being built, but to imply that is solely the result of melee RDMs QQing up a storm is silly. In actuality, some of us were looking for ways to integrate useful enfeebling into melee while making buffing multiple party members easier. Regardless, I doubt Temper took too many man hours to create, nor did tweaking Raise II or Thunder IV. There's also 96-99 and whatever the new merit system will yield. Throw out your ideas if you're so afraid of not being heard, not just sit here and call people you disagree with names.

I blame the mentality. Yes RDMs can use swords. So what DRKs get elemental magic. If there was a 130 page thread of 15 DRKs who want to nuke more and it resulted in DRKs getting a new JA that increases MAB but lowers Attack you would be seeing a mirror image of this thread in the DRK forums. RDM isn't now never was and never will be a front line job anywhere but lol situations like abyssea exp and magian trials just like DRK will never be a back line nuker. This spell may have taken the place of a new enfeeble or something that actually gets RDMs invited to parties over a level 70 WHM. Maybe not idk. Maybe SE had this planned for months but I somehow doubt that. 9/10 people with RDM leveled didn't level it with any intention of ever trying to do damage but we are stuck with a DD RDM spell thanks to a vocal minority or maybe just bad development on SEs part. Who knows, either way it's a disappointment to most of us.

[Seriha]

I blame the mentality. Yes RDMs can use swords. So what DRKs get elemental magic. If there was a 130 page thread of 15 DRKs who want to nuke more and it resulted in DRKs getting a new JA that increases MAB but lowers Attack you would be seeing a mirror image of this thread in the DRK forums. RDM isn't now never was and never will be a front line job anywhere but lol situations like abyssea exp and magian trials just like DRK will never be a back line nuker. This spell may have taken the place of a new enfeeble or something that actually gets RDMs invited to parties over a level 70 WHM. Maybe not idk. Maybe SE had this planned for months but I somehow doubt that. 9/10 people with RDM leveled didn't level it with any intention of ever trying to do damage but we are stuck with a DD RDM spell thanks to a vocal minority or maybe just bad development on SEs part. Who knows, either way it's a disappointment to most of us.

Then make a 50,000 page thread about back-line buffs. Should be pretty easy if you're such an overwhelming majority.

The flaw in your mentality is the presumption that you're speaking for anyone who doesn't happen to post here. Can you speak Japanese, Italian, Spanish, German, French, and whatever other language people who play this game speak? Have you polled their desires and experiences in a manner we can look to without thinking its fabricated? Is the lack of desire to melee fueled more by the lack of tools/efficiency, feeling more like you had a guaranteed spot as a caster, or maybe just going against it out of spite?

Whenever I speak for melee, it's largely to make a viable option for those interested in doing so. It's not about screwing the back-liners, tempting as it can be at times, but more in fitting to the job concept. I know that premise is LOL to some, and I'm not really interested in rehashing that debate, but it is what it is, just as SE chooses to add what they add to game. Even if Temper wasn't present, you have no guarantee there would be something else in its stead. It's not like RDM isn't a job creeping up on nearly a decade that's seen very little thrown its way since initial adjustments. The melee camp knows damn well what it feels like to be left out, especially for a long time. All I can say is we have cookies and kool-aid in the back. In-house entertainment might not be too great, though.

[Supersun]

and it resulted in DRKs getting a new JA that increases MAB but lowers Attack you would be seeing a mirror image of this thread in the DRK forums.

I didn't know Temper lowered our magic accuracy in the process...

[Insaniac]

I didn't know Temper lowered our magic accuracy in the process...

It wastes MP and casting time to improve your ability to do something no one in your party wants you to do.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I blame the mentality. Yes RDMs can use swords. So what DRKs get elemental magic. If there was a 130 page thread of 15 DRKs who want to nuke more and it resulted in DRKs getting a new JA that increases MAB but lowers Attack you would be seeing a mirror image of this thread in the DRK forums. RDM isn't now never was and never will be a front line job anywhere but lol situations like abyssea exp and magian trials just like DRK will never be a back line nuker. This spell may have taken the place of a new enfeeble or something that actually gets RDMs invited to parties over a level 70 WHM. Maybe not idk. Maybe SE had this planned for months but I somehow doubt that. 9/10 people with RDM leveled didn't level it with any intention of ever trying to do damage but we are stuck with a DD RDM spell thanks to a vocal minority or maybe just bad development on SEs part. Who knows, either way it's a disappointment to most of us.

DRK gets a JA that increases both normal attack and magical attack.

Temper doesn't gimp anything on RDM as far as SE have said so your logic is stupid.

As for your 9/10 didn't level it to melee, if they levelled it to only nuke should have levelled BLM, Cure WHM, Buff BRD or COR.... The bonus of RDM is it's multiple jobs of which like it or not melee is one.

Also I'd like your proof of 9/10 didn't level it for such otherwise I call bullshit.

[Insaniac]

DRK gets a JA that increases both normal attack and magical attack.

Temper doesn't gimp anything on RDM as far as SE have said so your logic is stupid.

As for your 9/10 didn't level it to melee, if they levelled it to only nuke should have levelled BLM, Cure WHM, Buff BRD or COR.... The bonus of RDM is it's multiple jobs of which like it or not melee is one.

Also I'd like your proof of 9/10 didn't level it for such otherwise I call bullshit.

lol at calling bullshit on something like that. I don't even really care. I'm just bored cause it's tuesday and icefilms is down. People are free to play a job like they want of course but just know that you are annoying people so you can have your fun if you do this in any situations that aren't the ones I mentioned before.. /goodbye silly thread~

[Daniel_Hatcher]

lol at calling bullshit on something like that. I don't even really care. I'm just bored cause it's tuesday and icefilms is down. People are free to play a job like they want of course but just know that you are annoying people so you can have your fun if you do this any any situations that aren't the ones I mentioned before.. /goodbye silly thread~

Wow! Just wow!

NEWSFLASH!! RDM's do have brains, they know when NOT to get too close to the mob. I know trolls don't think but this is a fact.

You have no proof to back up your "claim" I leveled RDM in the beginning because I liked the aspect of a melee-mage before they even added BLU. Do I melee in a party now? no! because I know as it stands they can't, would I if a good buff was added? Yes, so long as there was little risk of dangerous TP's, crippling spells (silence, break etc) and so on.

Apparently though the anti-melee RDM crowd bark to loud without actually reading any actual posts which to be honest I can't understand what fun they'd find in it.