FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

[Ceicel]

Revamp the enmity system, that should be the first and foremost action taken to fixing PLD's roles. There is no reason for the one system of the game that PLD's core hinges on inorder to perform properly is one of the largest thing's preventing us from being able to compete with competent and decently geared DD tank's. And please no more of this "give us provoke", the ability is crap, has always been crap end-game, and is only usefull initially or in the event of a hate-reset, and will do nothing to help us unless it redirects the mob's attention to us regardless of other player's CE and VE levels for a few seconds.

[Rorrick]

Enmity.
Is.
Not.
The.
Problem.

[DebbieGibson]

Revamp the enmity system, that should be the first and foremost action taken to fixing PLD's roles. There is no reason for the one system of the game that PLD's core hinges on inorder to perform properly is one of the largest thing's preventing us from being able to compete with competent and decently geared DD tank's. And please no more of this "give us provoke", the ability is crap, has always been crap end-game, and is only usefull initially or in the event of a hate-reset, and will do nothing to help us unless it redirects the mob's attention to us regardless of other player's CE and VE levels for a few seconds.

How is this going to make pld valuable to a group who can simply tank with a DD and leave the PLD out completely?

[Zagen]

How is this going to make pld valuable to a group who can simply tank with a DD and leave the PLD out completely?

I've got it! we remove the cap on Enmity values from Cure 5/6 and make it work just like the other cures! That's perfect that way the WHMs will cap hate over the DDs and anyone else attempting to tank that takes damage! Then the PLD covers the WHM and bam PLD is fixed!

/sarcasm

The saddest thing is most PLDs think Enmity is the problem... Then again most PLDs have no clue how it actually works

[Caketime]

Your broken english aside, I see what you're saying.
However Paladin is not "Knight".

Condescending posts about spelling and grammar are rad, especially when we consider that this is an informal location for discussion where people from all over the world (literally) congregate to talk about a job class in an online game. Further, "Go level another job" is old and tired, he wasn't asking for his job to be the best he just wanted to be able to use it occasionally in a legitimate manner. As it stands now, the job is completely shelved for any content that groups actually want to do and even if the PLD has Almace/Ochain/Mr. T is his fucking caddy, groups want another job instead. The problem here is that while a PLD is capable of damage output with those particular items, they are required to do passable damage, whereas any Perle wearing WAR with an AH bought Great Axe can outperform that PLD because Great Axe WS are just sick compared to even the best Sword WS. The grossly un-proportionate amount of effort and work required just to be on par with other jobs is stupid, I can understand dedication to your chosen job but the time/reward ratio just feels skewed against PLD in every way.

[DebbieGibson]

Condescending posts about spelling and grammar are rad, especially when we consider that this is an informal location for discussion where people from all over the world (literally) congregate to talk about a job class in an online game. Further, "Go level another job" is old and tired, he wasn't asking for his job to be the best he just wanted to be able to use it occasionally in a legitimate manner. As it stands now, the job is completely shelved for any content that groups actually want to do and even if the PLD has Almace/Ochain/Mr. T is his fucking caddy, groups want another job instead. The problem here is that while a PLD is capable of damage output with those particular items, they are required to do passable damage, whereas any Perle wearing WAR with an AH bought Great Axe can outperform that PLD because Great Axe WS are just sick compared to even the best Sword WS. The grossly un-proportionate amount of effort and work required just to be on par with other jobs is stupid, I can understand dedication to your chosen job but the time/reward ratio just feels skewed against PLD in every way.

Well SE doesn't want pld to do damage so they are useless when you don't need a real tank, end of story, job change.

[Caketime]

Well SE doesn't want pld to do damage so they are useless when you don't need a real tank, end of story, job change.

Exactly. I and many others have done so, I don't see the trend changing anytime soon. Trollfu +1, Debbie.

[Cursed]

Condescending posts about spelling and grammar are rad, especially when we consider that this is an informal location for discussion where people from all over the world (literally) congregate to talk about a job class in an online game. Further, "Go level another job" is old and tired, he wasn't asking for his job to be the best he just wanted to be able to use it occasionally in a legitimate manner. As it stands now, the job is completely shelved for any content that groups actually want to do and even if the PLD has Almace/Ochain/Mr. T is his fucking caddy, groups want another job instead. The problem here is that while a PLD is capable of damage output with those particular items, they are required to do passable damage, whereas any Perle wearing WAR with an AH bought Great Axe can outperform that PLD because Great Axe WS are just sick compared to even the best Sword WS. The grossly un-proportionate amount of effort and work required just to be on par with other jobs is stupid, I can understand dedication to your chosen job but the time/reward ratio just feels skewed against PLD in every way.

you think an AH perle war/sam is going to outperform a decked out pld/war with almace/ochain?
That's what I am reading, am I wrong?
On what mob also?

[Zagen]

you think an AH perle war/sam is going to outperform a decked out pld/war with almace/ochain?
That's what I am reading, am I wrong?
On what mob also?

You're either over estimating Almace/Ochain or under estimating WAR. Either way it doesn't matter because a realistic comparison would be Almace/Ochain PLD to a Ukko WAR and the WAR will destroy the PLD even if the PLD is using Ochain's block rate with a bunch of mobs. T4 Voidwatch excluded.

[Caketime]

you think an AH perle war/sam is going to outperform a decked out pld/war with almace/ochain?
That's what I am reading, am I wrong?
On what mob also?

The ability to use JA on time and pressing the WS button after stacking your damage buffs goes a long way toward dishing out and maintaining large numbers as Warrior (or any job). Good gear is just icing on an already delicious cake. I'd be willing to wager I could at least par you with an AH Greataxe and my birthday suit vs. your multiple specialized gear sets and shiny sword.