Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Laphine]

If sa/ta worked like feint, yummy!^^

Based on the original manifesto in other languages and camate's post, i have high hopes that it is going to be a new forced crit JA. A very nice boost to our table too, but hopes and dreams can be shattered lol.

[noodles355]

I really liked the idea about SA and TA always force criticaling from any position, but only getting the DEX and AGI bonuses from the correct position. Think that would be a pretty huge boost.
I also really liked making Steal take temp items, and on NMs taking r/e items and putting them in the drop pool.
Despoil giving a fixed debuff on a separate timer from steal, not linked to steal is also a great idea (as long as debuff and recast were close).
Accom/Collab having lowered recasts and separate timers, and thf having a means to dump that enmity on someone or altogether (hide fix) would also be awesome.
Aura steal having a lower timer and separate from steal would also be epic (but they'd have to nerf absorb rate).

Those are the kind of ideas that get thrown about the most for thf, excepting the first point, none of those are really DD related. Thfs aren't complaining about DD so much. Yeah it's lower than other DDs, but theoretically it's because we have our TH/debuffing/enmity management to fall back on too. Problem is those factors fail to deliver right now.

[Alaik]

I really liked the idea about SA and TA always force criticaling from any position, but only getting the DEX and AGI bonuses from the correct position. Think that would be a pretty huge boost.
I also really liked making Steal take temp items, and on NMs taking r/e items and putting them in the drop pool.
Despoil giving a fixed debuff on a separate timer from steal, not linked to steal is also a great idea (as long as debuff and recast were close).
Accom/Collab having lowered recasts and separate timers, and thf having a means to dump that enmity on someone or altogether (hide fix) would also be awesome.
Aura steal having a lower timer and separate from steal would also be epic (but they'd have to nerf absorb rate).

Those are the kind of ideas that get thrown about the most for thf, excepting the first point, none of those are really DD related. Thfs aren't complaining about DD so much. Yeah it's lower than other DDs, but theoretically it's because we have our TH/debuffing/enmity management to fall back on too. Problem is those factors fail to deliver right now.

Don't bother recapping, the fail troll (or idiot, either/or) will appear again and disregard how many times this has been said and make another retarded Ragni post. If they haven't read that this was being said before, they won't just because someone recapped it.

[Alaik]

Also Kin, out of curiousity, can you put a the above WAR's comparison against a BRD?

[Motenten]

A DD bard? Or when getting brd buffs?

[Alaik]

A DD BRD with BRD buffs. Thanks again for doing all this for us.

[Motenten]

Ok, that'll take some some work since I don't have a brd spreadsheet; would have to create a new one, though it could be somewhat easier since I can pull Evisceration from the thf spreadsheet. Still, won't be soon.

[Concerned4FFxi]

climactic flourish is bs, so is war crit hit which more than likely will be used with ws just like the new drk ability that nerfs tp gain for increased damage will be used with ws

[SpankWustler]

just like the new drk ability that nerfs tp gain for increased damage will be used with ws

This doesn't even exist yet. Scarlet Delirium is being implemented instead, I assume, because it was a stupid idea.

I guess you aren't concerned enough to actually read the Job Adjustments post?

Edit: Also, Climactic Flourish works the way it does because Dancer gets saddled with weapon skills like Rudra's Storm which are designed to be forced to critical though job abilities. Rudra's Storm also happens to be the only reason a Dancer would use Climactic Flourish.

Edit II: The Editing: Man, the more I read this tiny post the more it confuses me. The Warrior ability to force a critical hit doesn't exist yet, either.

[Alaik]

Ok, that'll take some some work since I don't have a brd spreadsheet; would have to create a new one, though it could be somewhat easier since I can pull Evisceration from the thf spreadsheet. Still, won't be soon.

I'm OK with that.