DRK is good enough already...

[Jar]

I just offered to prove that by moving servers. You have a very snooty behavior that behoves me believe that the only way to prove you wrong, like many others I have encountered, is by physically showing you on the game. The math i quite clearly understand as it is my basis for the counter argument. I am quite convinced even posting parse data would only have negative effects so I feel as if a one on one physical showing quite clearly would show you the results needed to win this approach to your belittlement of everyone involved. You can either accept or decline the offer at this point. There have been many things in life that on paper looked rock solid but in practical use was failed logic because someone forgot about something called "human error".

so you where insulting me like a child asking to bring something to my server?

Math or GTFO Plain and simple.




also my argument doesnt support the human error comeback thing <3

im simply Stating why DRK CAN win it is totally up to the player if this math holds up. Tho It would talk a very bad player to lose after All of the data i have put up because it sure seams like DRK has a hefty lead.

[Chriscoffey]

so you where insulting me like a child asking to bring something to my server?

Math or GTFO Plain and simple.




also my argument doesnt support the human error comeback thing <3


I'm simply stating why DRK CAN win it is totally up to the player if this math holds up. Tho It would talk a very bad player to lose after All of the data i have put up because it sure seams like DRK has a hefty lead.

A child is your stance where you name call IE "it's AV idiot" and other replies in previous post. I don't really care what you believe but I respect what Taint has to say as me and him have had arguments over catastrophe use before. I can't recall his belittlement of me ever during any of those conversations. I am being an adult in this situation and saying once I finish my apocalypse I can lay the foundation of proof in front of your face which is apparently the only way to get through to you at this point.

You can also always take into account human error as that is what is running the characters which in turn run the parse which what i said holds true about people not understanding the game dynamics in more detail. You keep talking about how dark mathematically holds up more against a warrior but your discernment of the stance on warrior is their critical/DA rate won't prevail over dark's speed.

You state your math by giving warrior less haste, not using their 2 hour and other ideas which lower their overall DOT to be prevalent over dark by a considerable margin. You nitpick 1 scenario with 1 mob and stand behind it as that is the underlying end all be all result of which you believe our comprehension is lacking. I remember me and Taint having another argument with Pathwriter who had that same type of scenario as well for Last Resort and it making Dark the new god outside abyssea.

[Jar]

You state your math by giving warrior less haste, not using their 2 hour and other ideas which lower their overall DOT to be prevalent over dark by a considerable margin.

I cut out WAR 2 hour becuase in my One situation i am nitpicking it is a hinderance to count on a 2 hour if you would like to know why read back i dont want to quote it

WAR gets less haste because of just that WAR GETS LESS HASTE because 80% is NOT possible with out a DNC and... who would bring a dnc not another WAR?

[Dart]

to be fair my shell usually has a dnc in the "main dd" party

[TetsujinX]

My head hurts from reading all of this. Let us all just agree to disagree and keep it moving. The argument is pointless as both sides will be arguing this until the end of time, regardless of how much proof or math is used as evidence.

[Rezeak]

WAR gets less haste because of just that WAR GETS LESS HASTE because 80% is NOT possible with out a DNC and... who would bring a dnc not another WAR?

if DNC brings WAR up to 80% haste then it's near a 50% DMG increase and if thats on 3 WARs that DNC is adding more than what 1 more WAR ......

Not to mention Box step if stacked with Dia III + angon is like increase EVERYONE in the ally's Attack by 7.7%(lv 2) to 20% (lv 5).

Also it's about making the most of what you have 1 DNC can enhance the 3 Strongest WARs meaning that the DNC doesn't need anything special to be as useful as the 3 WAR infact it could even be Dual boxed.

[Jar]

if DNC brings WAR up to 80% haste then it's near a 50% DMG increase and if thats on 3 WARs that DNC is adding more than what 1 more WAR ......

Not to mention Box step if stacked with Dia III + angon is like increase EVERYONE in the ally's Attack by 7.7%(lv 2) to 20% (lv 5).

Also it's about making the most of what you have 1 DNC can enhance the 3 Strongest WARs meaning that the DNC doesn't need anything special to be as useful as the 3 WAR infact it could even be Dual boxed.

3war + dnc to cap haste on the 3 war(20ish% boost <3 not 50%) and get pdif alittle closer~cap

will not beat the 4 DRK that could take that place and cap everything with just a brds buffs.

[Rezeak]

How is it 20%?

Magic is 35-37%
Gear + hasso is 35%

So ur looking at 3.33-3.5 x attack speed

At 80% haste your at 5x attack speed

so your looks at 50%-42% increase in DMG roughly.

The lvl 2 box step would mean u need 1274 attack to cap which WAR would hit via ur calculations.

Honestly Jar i don't know where you get ur stuff from i mean ok in an ideal sitituation where every player has every job pimped out it may be the case to take a DRK X 12 to AV but it's not like that so a WAR having DNC isn't a dumb concept even considering it's steps are a decent boost when stacked with other def down sources.

Not to mention WAR is gonna have Sekki and Meditate

Either way screw it if WAR can't have a DNC just buy a Haste belt and it can have 80% Haste because it counts towards magic so now u have ur 4 WARs at full haste vs 4 DRKs

not to mention AV may not even have 999 def it may have less or more u can't really guess it either way if i had to guess it would be less but w/e it's pointless stuff AV is easy.

[Chriscoffey]

"Denial" is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. Sound familar?

[Jar]

How is it 20%?

Magic is 35-37%
Gear + hasso is 35%

So ur looking at 3.33-3.5 x attack speed

At 80% haste your at 5x attack speed

so your looks at 50%-42% increase in DMG roughly.

The lvl 2 box step would mean u need 1274 attack to cap which WAR would hit via ur calculations.

Honestly Jar i don't know where you get ur stuff from i mean ok in an ideal sitituation where every player has every job pimped out it may be the case to take a DRK X 12 to AV but it's not like that so a WAR having DNC isn't a dumb concept even considering it's steps are a decent boost when stacked with other def down sources.

Not to mention WAR is gonna have Sekki and Meditate

Either way screw it if WAR can't have a DNC just buy a Haste belt and it can have 80% Haste because it counts towards magic so now u have ur 4 WARs at full haste vs 4 DRKs

not to mention AV may not even have 999 def it may have less or more u can't really guess it either way if i had to guess it would be less but w/e it's pointless stuff AV is easy.

war will be at 78.7% haste w/o a dancer cutting Soul voice gives you about 180 less attack also therefor no more cappy on war with steps <3

DEF i did with gekko and fudo comparison math not even 5 posts ago put def at 999 or more<.<

and even with full haste base delay puts drk ahead