What have become of the RDMs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I said capped crit rate from dDEX, not overall crit rate. There's a difference. Gnarled is for people who don't have A/O or Apoc, it's next best Atma after them for Meleeing on Rdm, followed closely by Lion.

EDIT: finished editing sheet, assuming both using sword/sword and Rdm having to eat pizza+1 (blu caps without acc food even on heroes exp mobs, and on some slightly higher mobs too) Rdm is doing what do you know, roughly 80% of the Blu's damage. Closer than I thought, still slacking behind especially if you assume harder mobs.

[Superchicken]

I know abyssea tends to give a lot of accuracy, but we still only have a D in club. I really can't see how the misses and DPS (KC averages at under 10 DPS) loss from the offhand swings using a KC will beat a Joy or a Khanda.

you obviously dont have a KC i take it. With RR atma KC misses aren't what you think. I use kc on RNG for Jishnus spam and offhand on nin for Hi spam and are crazy, these misses you are speaking of well i'm "missing" what you are saying cause i dont miss like you seem to think a KC would miss

[Neisan_Quetz]

Rng has accuracy bonuses, that is irrelevant to Rdm using KC.

[Superchicken]

Rng has accuracy bonuses, that is irrelevant to Rdm using KC.

i have a KC and have RDM 90 and again have no problems with acc with KC

[Neisan_Quetz]

Using pizza/fighting weak mobs.

[Nepharite]

Did you include composure in your math? I don't see you mentioning it.

[Superchicken]

Using pizza/fighting weak mobs.

not even my friend. Since the game revolves around abyssea i'm talking in abyssea and if your dding RR is pretty much a standard atma most dd's use. So again when you have a KC and can get on RDM and tell me you cant hit with it and show me some hard evidence maybe i'll listen to you, but then again, I have KC and RDM and can attest from what i do, not from what i assume.

And i'll go even further and say i have no problem with acc using KC on jobs like nin and thf that even lower club skill than RDM

And if i was gonna use food in abyssea, which usually is a waste, it wouldnt be pizza my friend

[Neisan_Quetz]

I always include composure, and I didn't say you can't hit with it, I said you're not autocapping accuracy as easily as you seem to believe in Scars/Heroes zones exluding bastion/dominion buffs which are random and can't be relied on. This is a hard fact period.


IT exp mobs in heroes have 407 evasion approximately, rdm has 280 club skill 296 with merits, assumed roughly 80 dex, + 50 RR +40 full furtherance +15 Almace +3 hollow +4 cuch, +15 accuracy from Composure, head body hands waist legs and feet locked out for haste options, can get +37 accuracy from the remainder for a grand total of 434 accuracy putting you at 74% hit rate approximately. And you think you're capping accuracy easily without food? Pray tell me how you are. Don't say chaining stalwart's either, not always an option.

[Superchicken]

point being you were trying to say the misses from kc offhand were so much that its not a viable option, and from experience and not your mathmatical equations i can tell you the misses aint what you think. I will have tp way faster than offhanding a joytoy or w/e you want to call put in my offhand, which over time means i'm gonna be wsing more often. Like i've said make your statements from what you personally have experienced not the math equations you want to post up or assumptions. But let me take a stab here and say your next argument is going to be that my melee hits from the KC aren't what a joytoy or other weapon would be. Well duh, but the argurment here is not about that we are talking dmg over time with that comes the amount of wsing done and i can tell you with offhand KC the dmg overtime > tahn offhand w/e you want to insert.

[Neisan_Quetz]

So your anecdotal evidence circumvents how accuracy has been working in FF for the last 5 years, okay. And if you're using the best DD atma for meleeing, one of which is Apoc, another of which is Alpha/Omega, you aren't even weaponskilling as much as you think you are than someone with even a Mageblade and have worse DoT.