Ther case for -Prep as related to gear ect

[Dallas]

Catch 22, melee is only not worthwhile because you aren't putting in the time to get +70 acc/att. I will have capped staff skill for L95 in approximately a week. I spent the time because it is worthwhile.

[Razushu]

Catch 22, melee is only not worthwhile because you aren't putting in the time to get +70 acc/att. I will have capped staff skill for L95 in approximately a week. I spent the time because it is worthwhile.

No it's not worthwhile because anything a SMN can reliably melee is dying so fast I barely would have time to engage it, before needing to move on.

[Dallas]

No it's not worthwhile because anything a SMN can reliably melee is dying so fast I barely would have time to engage it, before needing to move on.

I'm certain your definition of reliable is pathetic. Let's try this way: whatever two of you could reliably duo without resummoning is what I can reliably melee. Let's not ever consider anything you can melee.

[Razushu]

I'm certain your definition of reliable is pathetic. Let's try this way: whatever two of you could reliably duo without resummoning is what I can reliably melee. Let's not ever consider anything you can melee.

Thats pretty much a list of things that will die so fast there's no point in drawing your staff.

[Dallas]

Thats pretty much a list of things that will die so fast there's no point in drawing your staff.

You make no sense. Do you always jump to assuming you are twice as strong as yourself? Not until you can melee...

[Razushu]

You make no sense. Do you always jump to assuming you are twice as strong as yourself? Not until you can melee...

I'm going to assume this discussion take place in Abyssea as it's the only place an Avatar can last a full fight on anything >IT++, and I'm going to answer in terms of NMs as there's nothing really that will survive 2 BP: Rages.

You said anything 2 SMNs can duo in a single Summoning you can melee, well thats a list of things that will die extremely fast unless a) It's powerful and you're using tank Atmas or b) the duoing SMNs are spamming healing pacts.

The problems that arise here for a) either both SMNs will use a full Damage Atma build and just stagger BPS/resummons to tear it down quick, or one Summoner will have a Tank build while the other will be using a full damage build, the mob will also go down very quickly anyway. Both of these would go faster than you meleeing as you would need at least some tanking atmas to make an Avatar last a full fight against all but the weakest NMs.

And for b) Both of these Summoners would still be able to use at least 2 DD atmas a piece, and still be able to keep an Avatar out the entire fight, seeing as they would have a partner Avatar to help lessen the damage each are taking between Healing Pacts, whereas a solo melee SMN relying on their pet to last the entire fight will need at least 2 tanking atmas to make this happen.

[Dallas]

Ok, then let's start with IT mobs in Abyssea. The "++" is your skill. The avatar is less than half SMN's damage, so anything that takes you 2 bps only needs 1 plus melee. If the BP takes out 1/3 total HP, you can melee the mob dead in less than 45 seconds.

"2 in 50 seconds" only uses 1 BP. Assault one, BP the other. Melee the second down, then the first.

[Korpg]

I'm certain your definition of reliable is pathetic. Let's try this way: whatever two of you could reliably duo without resummoning is what I can reliably melee. Let's not ever consider anything you can melee.

So basically, anything that is easy to kill, you can reliably melee. Got it! But, lets go beyond this. Show us something that you can kill that is IT++. Raz and I can kill that without resummoning, but can you kill that as a melee? Abyssea doesn't count because there isn't anything in there that is IT++. Unless it is a body seal NM.