Salvage Gear Enhancements

[Gokku]

Long ago SE claimed they would be fixing nysule / limbus / salavge gear. Now Sky / Ein, have both gotten gear updates to put the pieces back to a respectable and useable level. Yet no work or comment ive seen from the dev team has even touched on anything for the other zones promised. Now this may be me wanting the gear i spent millions on and a solid 2 years+ to finish not to be useless but alot of the salvage gear HAD great stats and just need a small boost to put them back up there.

tl:dr make my usu / ares / morrigans sets useful again.

[Panthera]

I respect the amount of work you and others put into getting these sets. I guess they started with the original end game sets to get feel for implementation, before they work up to Salvage gear. Consider they still have to do Homam and other sets as well... let them cut their teeth first on other sets before they work on Usu!

OP, it's not enough to say, "Make Salvage gear useful again." What stats do you want on which pieces? Don't leave it to them, or you'll end up with CHR on your Usu feet.

[Leonlionheart]

Honestly for most things I can't see any piece of gear that would be better than the job-specific AF3.

For DDs the line's pretty blurred, but for Marduk's and Morrigan's sets it would be extremely hard to beat pieces like WHM AF3+2 head or SMN AF3+2 body. Morrigan's for BLM you just put on MAB that beats out AF3+2, but for BLU you need haste to make it acceptable to TP in, or large amounts of STR/DEX/VIT/AGI to make it acceptable to cast spells in. RDM needs a mixture of Macc, INT, MND, MAB, and hopefully some form of cure potency.

So you're looking at a piece like this:
Morrigan's Coronal: MP+25, STR+9, INT+9, MND+9, Accuracy+15, Magic Accuracy+7
That's just buffing the stats that it already has, and the minimum amount required to make it more useful than pieces already out there. Still, you probably wouldn't use it over Aias bonnet on BLU, or AF3+2 on BLU, or AF3+2 on RDM.

Honestly to make the gear useful now what really needs to be done is to make it actually useful in the first place. Usukane was the only set that had full-time TP pieces, and a mix of WS pieces. Ares pretty much completely sucks other than body/legs, and Skadi is total trash too other than a few select pieces for a handful of situations.

Ares head/hands/feet combined need to total like, 16 haste to become useful, and have over something like 20 attack or something comparable to 10% Crit damage, along with around 5% DA. Body needs 8 attack, 3 str to compare to grim, and for the PLD side needs 1 more refresh and some form of damage taken %- to make it useful.

Skadi just needs a complete overhaul, getting rid of the evasion- and adding in more haste or something like critical rate.

Usukane on the otherhand is still very useful for MNKs for a hybrid haste/evasion set. They get large amounts of evasion (+29) along with capped shown-haste at the same time. Not to mention enmity, subtle blow, and counter+. All you need is evasion ear, neck, and ring(s) and you can still keep moderate hate while taking less damage. To make it useful for SAM again is very improbable, considering SAM can, in a way, bypass the haste cap with their AF3+2 pants considering the Hasso augmentation is Haste+2.5% on Hasso, making them capable of 27.5% haste in gear. We all know haste is king. Again still useful to NIN for a hybrid evasion/haste set.

[SpankWustler]

Some pieces of Morrigan's Underwears are still useful for Blue Mage currently, although only for Sanguine Blade or a magical spell here and there. Skadi's ChefboyardeeX remain BeastMaster's best option for movement speed.

And, uh, that's about it at present.

The development team seems to be updating old gear roughly in the order it was created, so Salvage equipment will probably come last.

[Helel]

Honestly for most things I can't see any piece of gear that would be better than the job-specific AF3.

For DDs the line's pretty blurred, but for Marduk's and Morrigan's sets it would be extremely hard to beat pieces like WHM AF3+2 head or SMN AF3+2 body. Morrigan's for BLM you just put on MAB that beats out AF3+2, but for BLU you need haste to make it acceptable to TP in, or large amounts of STR/DEX/VIT/AGI to make it acceptable to cast spells in. RDM needs a mixture of Macc, INT, MND, MAB, and hopefully some form of cure potency.

So you're looking at a piece like this:
Morrigan's Coronal: MP+25, STR+9, INT+9, MND+9, Accuracy+15, Magic Accuracy+7
That's just buffing the stats that it already has, and the minimum amount required to make it more useful than pieces already out there. Still, you probably wouldn't use it over Aias bonnet on BLU, or AF3+2 on BLU, or AF3+2 on RDM.

Honestly to make the gear useful now what really needs to be done is to make it actually useful in the first place. Usukane was the only set that had full-time TP pieces, and a mix of WS pieces. Ares pretty much completely sucks other than body/legs, and Skadi is total trash too other than a few select pieces for a handful of situations.

Ares head/hands/feet combined need to total like, 16 haste to become useful, and have over something like 20 attack or something comparable to 10% Crit damage, along with around 5% DA. Body needs 8 attack, 3 str to compare to grim, and for the PLD side needs 1 more refresh and some form of damage taken %- to make it useful.

Skadi just needs a complete overhaul, getting rid of the evasion- and adding in more haste or something like critical rate.

Usukane on the otherhand is still very useful for MNKs for a hybrid haste/evasion set. They get large amounts of evasion (+29) along with capped shown-haste at the same time. Not to mention enmity, subtle blow, and counter+. All you need is evasion ear, neck, and ring(s) and you can still keep moderate hate while taking less damage. To make it useful for SAM again is very improbable, considering SAM can, in a way, bypass the haste cap with their AF3+2 pants considering the Hasso augmentation is Haste+2.5% on Hasso, making them capable of 27.5% haste in gear. We all know haste is king. Again still useful to NIN for a hybrid evasion/haste set.

This is mostly incorrect. Morrigan's body is still the best nuking body for BLU, even with BA up for charged whisker. Morrigan's legs are also the best nuking legs for BLU without BA up. Morrigan's head was never useful in the first place so I'm not sure why you decided to bring it up. Morrigan's feet are great for whirl of rage and possibly stoneskin/MND piece for BLM. Hands are indeed quite useless.

I don't use ares for any of my jobs, but I know many of the pieces are good for DRK WS torcleaver, and probably some others too.

Usukane sune-ate are currently the best TP/DD feet for NIN. They are also the best TP/DD feet for SAM in some situations if you need the store tp. Body is decent evasion body with some nice stats.

Marduk body is useful as a pre-cast piece. I don't recall WHM or SMN AF3 having fast cast so I'm not sure why you ruled it out completely. Marduk feet have summoning skill (though augmented zenith pumps may be better). Hands have regen, great idle piece. I'm not sure how well this set works for BRD anymore so I won't comment on it.

Skadi hands are still good for RNG. The feet are not necessary for most jobs, but hey, it's near-free movement speed. The body was never good except for dancing edge. Not sure if that's still true now.

[Malamasala]

I don't have any salvage armors because they sucked to begin with. They better not put anything good on them now afterwards and force me to get sets.

At least not without making SMN immune to salvage so I don't have to be a naked SMN with 60 seconds BP timer and 17 MP per tick drain, without magic to summon or abilities to assault. Darn useless event. It couldn't have died out soon enough.

[Leonlionheart]

Morrigan's body is still best, and I addressed there being niche pieces though not clearly enough.
Legs are good for BLU nuking, but I'm not sure how much you nuke w/o BA up. I essentially never do, as Whirl of Rage is more useful/less mp/more damage. Morrigan's feet are total and complete trash. Stoneskin caps w/ cruor buffs inside, outside I don't think you'll have enough enhancing magic to need MND.

Ares body is still good for Torcleaver. Rest is utter crap, augmented hands from gold chests in attohwa are better, or random pool VIT augment on adaman/armada are nice too.

Usukane sune-ate are arguably still best tp feet for NIN if you use Dusk+1 hands, but for SAM you can't cap haste with them and 5hit.

Marduk is a macro piece, marduk feet are best for cure if you don't use serpentes, serpentes have regen and refresh, marduk hands are useless. The set is trash for BRD, as I think, though am not certain, that every AF3+2 trumps it.

Skadi hands suck compared to the benefits of AF3+2. Can't 4hit w/o them, and 5hit is cakewalk w/ them. Feet are w/e, though worse than other options in the long run (-5 evasion :<).

@SpankWustler Einherjar ABJ gear says hi, though I agree with the point overall.

[Leonlionheart]

I don't have any salvage armors because they sucked to begin with. They better not put anything good on them now afterwards and force me to get sets.

At least not without making SMN immune to salvage so I don't have to be a naked SMN with 60 seconds BP timer and 17 MP per tick drain, without magic to summon or abilities to assault. Darn useless event. It couldn't have died out soon enough.

"sucked to begin with," even though at least one piece from each set were the best possible for over 75% of jobs. Just because something sucks for SMN doesn't mean it sucks for everyone. Seriously, whats with the SMN perspective on the game that it's the only job there is?

[Rearden]

Morrigan's body is still best, and I addressed there being niche pieces though not clearly enough.
Legs are good for BLU nuking, but I'm not sure how much you nuke w/o BA up. I essentially never do, as Whirl of Rage is more useful/less mp/more damage. Morrigan's feet are total and complete trash. Stoneskin caps w/ cruor buffs inside, outside I don't think you'll have enough enhancing magic to need MND.

Ares body is still good for Torcleaver. Rest is utter crap, augmented hands from gold chests in attohwa are better, or random pool VIT augment on adaman/armada are nice too.

Usukane sune-ate are arguably still best tp feet for NIN if you use Dusk+1 hands, but for SAM you can't cap haste with them and 5hit.

Marduk is a macro piece, marduk feet are best for cure if you don't use serpentes, serpentes have regen and refresh, marduk hands are useless. The set is trash for BRD, as I think, though am not certain, that every AF3+2 trumps it.

Skadi hands suck compared to the benefits of AF3+2. Can't 4hit w/o them, and 5hit is cakewalk w/ them. Feet are w/e, though worse than other options in the long run (-5 evasion :<).

@SpankWustler Einherjar ABJ gear says hi, though I agree with the point overall.

False. More like, with them you can cap haste and 5 hit without crap gear sacrifices.

[Tamoa]

I'm hoping for an upgrade of salvage gear aswell. So many people spent so much time obtaining these gearpieces/sets, and just speaking for myself it's a shame all the pieces are currently collecting dust @ the Porter Moogle.

I don't have any salvage armors because they sucked to begin with. They better not put anything good on them now afterwards and force me to get sets.

At least not without making SMN immune to salvage so I don't have to be a naked SMN with 60 seconds BP timer and 17 MP per tick drain, without magic to summon or abilities to assault. Darn useless event. It couldn't have died out soon enough.

Even if SE does "put anything good on them", nobody is forcing you to do salvage. And why would you go smn to salvage anyway? Is it the only job you have?