FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

[Rorrick]

You don't have to like that it's nearly a requirement to own an Almace or Ochain... But when nearly every DD is striving for an empy or at least WoE weapon, there's no excuse for you not to as well.

And really... Almace is not hard. It didn't require kissing ass to get it, just having 2 or 3 friends really. You put the same amount of work into getting Atonement (assuming you did) as Almace requires.

The difference here being that other jobs are clearly useful without Empyrean weapons, whereas Paladin requires them just to be serviceable. This is not a legitimate solution.

[Karbuncle]

QFT

Quoted for Truth

Play a game to have fun. Not hold back and watch the other guys have fun

Only problem is SE is trying to force us to remember the roots of the game, party style combat.

They want us to use a THF to control Enmity more, they want us to bring a BRD and SMN to help PLDs survive super-damaging attacks.

They want us to utilize every tool we can to make a fight go smoothly, which is why the Reward system in Voidwatch doesn't penalize large groups (in fact in a way in penalizes small ones). They want large alliance so we can bring all these excess jobs to make a party come together.

They seem to be trying not to make 1 job self reliant, they want a THF to be invited for loot and to make a Tanks job easier by helping DDs control their enmity. or a SMN For E.Armor, etc, Only problem is they don't seem to realize what tools we have now are simply not enough unless everyone in the fight holds back 99% of the time.

I just hope they realize/correct this as well.

[Greatguardian]

All I've been able to glean from this thread is that Camate and the Devs know way more about Paladin than I think anyone, myself included, gave them credit for.

Thank you for not falling prey to some of the complete and utter crap that has been posted and suggested over the past year.

Thank you for recognizing and looking into Paladin's CE accumulation rather than giving in to the "Give us Provoke" tripe.

Thank you for acknowledging that Paladin is the single strongest offensive Sword wielder in the game from a pure melee perspective, and that neither Vorpal Blade nor Chant du Cygne are anything to wag a finger at.

Thank you for balancing future adjustments around Ochain rather than nerfing the Empyrean shield in order to buff shields in general.

Thank you for being you and being awesome.

[Aeonk]

The difference here being that other jobs are clearly useful without Empyrean weapons, whereas Paladin requires them just to be serviceable. This is not a legitimate solution.

Say they give PLD an ability to increase dmg without needing CDC. A PLD specific berserk or some such thing. What happens when you put a powerful buff like that in the hands of someone who already has Almace or Excalibur paired with Ochain or Aegis? You just sidelined every DD in the game. PLD would rule both ends of the offensive and defensive spectrum.

I'd say the ends justify the means. If Almace/Ochain make the job even semi-optimal in game again... then it's something to strive for is it not? Giving PLD's a non-empyrean solution to dealing better dmg could very easily unbalance the game as is. The reason I was pushing for a dmg buff like Fencer for so long is because it definately helps, but it's not a boost in a "2 hander update" sense (that and in my opinion a job trait that was practically designed for PLD, should go to PLD.)

[Zagen]

Say they give PLD an ability to increase dmg without needing CDC. A PLD specific berserk or some such thing. What happens when you put a powerful buff like that in the hands of someone who already has Almace or Excalibur paired with Ochain or Aegis? You just sidelined every DD in the game. PLD would rule both ends of the offensive and defensive spectrum.

In almost all of the current content Almace and Ochain/Aegis make a PLD comparable to a non Emp/Relic DD in the tank slot... If they gave a buff to PLD's offense it would likely make an Almace and Ochain/Aegis PLD comparable to an Emp/Relic DD for the tank slot, how is that broken and not how is should be?

Edit: I can see the point SE is making about how a buff to offense would make PLD a superior soloer but honestly who cares? RDM has been soloing content that took a group by design for years it would be no different.

[Lutschfactor]

wow a lot of words that mean nothing. so they really think pld is nothing. so i dont expect anything ever to come good from pld at all. ever. just keep on giving to sams and nin eventually we wont need healers

[Rorrick]

Say they give PLD an ability to increase dmg without needing CDC. A PLD specific berserk or some such thing. What happens when you put a powerful buff like that in the hands of someone who already has Almace or Excalibur paired with Ochain or Aegis? You just sidelined every DD in the game. PLD would rule both ends of the offensive and defensive spectrum.

I'd say the ends justify the means. If Almace/Ochain make the job even semi-optimal in game again... then it's something to strive for is it not? Giving PLD's a non-empyrean solution to dealing better dmg could very easily unbalance the game as is. The reason I was pushing for a dmg buff like Fencer for so long is because it definately helps, but it's not a boost in a "2 hander update" sense (that and in my opinion a job trait that was practically designed for PLD, should go to PLD.)

They should be items that increase utility, not create it.

Having said that, I'm not even arguing for an attack buff (although the fears of Paladin's supposed solo-prowess seem somewhat laughable given what Red Mage has been doing for years and years). I'm arguing for any buff. Giving us better enmity tools is parallel to the real problem; there's no reason for Paladin to be around to use them.

[PandyTwi]

lol, we had a tarudin in our setup there helping out with orthrus the other day, damn dog. anyway, it was pretty funny cause when acheron flame got spammed like crazy after we finished procs, it was just crazy. While all the DD's were smoldering corpses on the ground, Babyfish, the tarudin in question, was just fighting it by himself laughing about the little scratch he just took. Needless to say, I was laughing pretty hard myself.

[Zagen]

lol, we had a tarudin in our setup there helping out with orthrus the other day, damn dog. anyway, it was pretty funny cause when acheron flame got spammed like crazy after we finished procs, it was just crazy. While all the DD's were smoldering corpses on the ground, Babyfish, the tarudin in question, was just fighting it by himself laughing about the little scratch he just took. Needless to say, I was laughing pretty hard myself.

Odd because a WHM + MNK can kill that dog without any issues assuming your WHM doesn't suck at keeping up with buffs/cures.

[Greatguardian]

No one had an MDT set on them? I've never even seen Acheron Flames break 1k =/