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[Suirieko]

Please allow The five newer jobs to use the original relics.

I think I'm gonna go with this in hopes for SE to answer the question regarding the relics.

As posted here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-for-all-jobs

Currently only 15 jobs could wield the original relics, while every jobs have Mythics and Empyreans. Corsairs, Puppetmasters, Bluemage, Dancers, and Scholars cannot wield any relics.

A lot of debate has gone into this even as far as trying to justify the lore (or explain why they can't wield it), as has been discussed on the said thread. We all know that relics have been somewhat difficult to obtain, but ever since the overhaul to Dynamis, along with the fact that money is easier to obtain than ever, this has changed considerably. I believe that it is somewhat easier to obtain relic, but still will take a long time.

The fact that you no longer need to pay 500K per run (let alone 1 million) AND the fact that you can do Dynamis on the daily basis (like my group is doing now that I'm back to working on a relic), AND the fact that you can very easily and efficiently lowman (Let alone solo) Dynamis for currencies, I believe this merits an attention from the developers to consider this proposal:

Please allow The five newer jobs to use the original relics as follow here:

Blue Mage -> Excalibur
Corsair -> Annihilator
Puppetmaster -> Spharai
Dancer -> Mandau
Scholar -> Mjollinr AND/OR Claustrum

I've heard a lot of argument and debate toward these, but when it all comes down to it, In my opinion, there are no reason why they CAN'T use the said weapons.

Some arguments discussed:
But Wait, These jobs weren't part of the hydra corps, so therefore, they don't get the weapons!
Kind of a moot argument. Considering how many jobs can already use the relics, obviously, they didn't use it in Dynamis. For example, A THF used Mandau lore wise, yet RDM and BRD can use it as well. A PLD used Excalibur, yet so can RDM. Second of all, at the time Dynamis was released (along with the story, of course) the said five jobs weren't even conceptualized, or even released. Therefore it kind of made it a moot point.

Also, something else to consider: Scholars and Dancers have played a role in the crystal war. Bare in Mind that the Hydra corps were a multi-national coalition, so to say that DNC and SCH weren't is a stretch, as evidenced there have been major SChs character ( especially Schultz) and significant dancers, including Sonia.

As for Blue mage, Corsair, and puppetmaster. When it comes to those jobs, I can kind of understand the issue here, since there's technically none of these jobs in the hydra corps. However, again, that reason alone shouldn't bar these jobs from being able to wield the weapons.

The newer five jobs have mythics and empyreans. What's the big deal?

While I can understnad the argument, I don't think this is enough to prevent these jobs from having the relics. Consider that the Mythics are still very difficult to obtain, and unless SE completely overhaul how the mythics are obtained (and given the recent response, I doubt it will be that significant). The difficulty of the said mythics prevents most players from being able to obtain the weapons, due to how much work it involves. Most players would say "Screw the mythic, get the empyreans, it's all you need".

Second of all, the value of Empyrean aren't so...big deal. It's already becoming on its way to becoming a "standard" weapon to have given how EASY it is to obtain. (Especially if you consider Armageddon being one of the easiest weapon in game).

Most people work to obtain relics for personal achievement, and prior to the empyrean weapons, the relics were considered as the best of the best. For the most part, I believe this is still the case, since it's still a lot of work to obtain the relics.

All things considered, if the 20 jobs have Empyreans, and mythics, why can't the five newer jobs have the relics for this sense.

The said jobs can't even wield the kind of weapons these relics are.
(for example)
Blue Mage shouldn't have Excalibur because it's not a curved sword, aka Scimitar.
Dancers can't even wield the kind of dagger that Mandau is.
Puppetmaster shouldn't wield spharai because it is a cesti.

For the blue Mage: Almace isn't a curved sword, and yet it is a popular choice among blue mage. So this argument is moot.

Dancers have a few weapons that look identical to the shape of Mandau, most notably Heart snatcher AND Main Gauche.

As for the puppetmaster, there are exceptions to the rules. IE: they have access to Heafon Knuckles.

While certain jobs do well to wield certain type of weapons. (IE RDM for rapiers, etc), there are always special exception to the rules. This already applies to relics, this already applies to Mandau, and this applies to certain kind of weapons, especially the 'fake' relic weapons.

Again, the bottomline is, there are no reason why these five jobs can't wield these weapons, and at least I feel that SE need to answer this. the last time they answered this question, which is, basically "We are giving these five jobs the mythics". Several years later, these mythics, for the most part proved to be somewhat a failure, save for very few weapons (IE Yagrush, Ryunohige, Nirvana, and Burtgang), this, and the empyrean weapons should not be a reason to block the five jobs from wielding the relics.

But yeah, again, TL;DR:

Please allow The five newer jobs to use the original relics as follow here:

Blue Mage -> Excalibur
Corsair -> Annihilator
Puppetmaster -> Spharai
Dancer -> Mandau
Scholar -> Mjollinr AND/OR Claustrum

[Economizer]

Scholar -> Mjollinr AND/OR Claustrum

I know the fake Relic, for whatever retarded reason has the letters SCH on it but there is absolutely no reason for White Mage to lose what little unique traits it has left. Scholar already can do AOE cures, debuff removal, Reraise, even Raise II. With the shear amount of outcry it looks like it will even get Cure V. I don't think it is unreasonable to demand that Scholars back off on at least one thing that is White Mage's, since they seem to have gotten everything else, while getting a solid amount of Black Mage and Red Mage things too.

Should Scholar get Claustrum? Definitely, no question about it.

[Suirieko]

I know the fake Relic, for whatever retarded reason has the letters SCH on it but there is absolutely no reason for White Mage to lose what little unique traits it has left. Scholar already can do AOE cures, debuff removal, Reraise, even Raise II. With the shear amount of outcry it looks like it will even get Cure V. I don't think it is unreasonable to demand that Scholars back off on at least one thing that is White Mage's, since they seem to have gotten everything else, while getting a solid amount of Black Mage and Red Mage things too.

Should Scholar get Claustrum? Definitely, no question about it.

Personally I agree with this. I meant to put it the other wise (Claustrum and/or Mjollinr) cause for some reason beyond me, SCH gets club fake relic but not staff.