Voidwatch Drop Rates/Loot Distribution

[Defiledsickness]

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

and its hard to sell VW stuff because you cant join the party after the fight has started. and its completely random what may drop.

and as i said; this gear isnt that awesome. if a LS leader would kick you because you took this gear, tell him to get a life. i agree with the point/buy system tho. anything is better then the current system and i really feel bad for pick-up groups doing these fights.

[ThaiChi]

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

Blindly assume much? I'll have you know almost each and every one of us in our 32 man LS has an empyrean weapon, something we're very proud of. Points in a Linkshell are supposed to be used to denote time put in. And if you actually read what he said, he's referring to the hypothetical situation Ravenmore presented. I would doubt any pick up would be able to make it to tier IV and successfully get a full spectral alignment by today's standard of common player.

We're talking about established groups putting in time into this event and seeing less than a 1% reward among all of our members. It's great that one of our most excellent WHMs got an Anhur Robe recently, but that was 1 out of 160-something chests opened. And we're talking about one person who already has something like a Strendu Ring getting 6 more and not being able to give it to someone else who actually needs it. Most of us actually like the exclusive chests, honestly just a simple fix of not being able to see gear you already own in said chests would make it all that much less insulting for those of us who are participating in VW on a regular basis.

A great way to fix this would be to run a check to see if anyone in your alliance already has whichever item is meant to drop, let's say a Fazheluo R. Mail, then move it to someone else's chest, similar to how things will not drop from mobs if a rare item exists in each party member's inventory. It would work fine even with a low drop rate, because at some point through process of elimination everyone can get a body.

[DarkBass]

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

and its hard to sell VW stuff because you cant join the party after the fight has started. and its completely random what may drop.

and as i said; this gear isnt that awesome. if a LS leader would kick you because you took this gear, tell him to get a life. i agree with the point/buy system tho. anything is better then the current system and i really feel bad for pick-up groups doing these fights.

OK... wow. YOu forgot what you originaly posted so ill explain it all in full. 1, IF you could put the contents of your chest into the lot pool, there are going to be multiple people who want it/can use it. Gee, how to settle such a conundrum? Oh yea, by bidding on it using the point system you have established among yourselves in said linkshell. The being sneaky part comes in this way. If you could put it into the pool, but you dont, and there are others who can/will use and have more points than you, and you try to cover it up by saying you went with a pick up run, is sneaky. People talk. Being sneaky about stuff gets found out eventually. This would mean you dont care about your fellow members (for reasons good or bad) or the hard work they have put in. You would be removed because you couldnt be trusted. No one wants to bust their ass for something just so someone else who hasn't put in as much work as you can snatch it from up under you. Ninja lotters, and its widely known how to deal with them.

And as far as my linkshell goes, Its a very very good shell. The only people who don't have an empyrean weapon, are the people who joined a few months ago, in which we will be working on soon. Some of us even have 2. Our rules are very fair and the amount of productivity we have is wonderful. Our leader and co-leads are very good people. So no...I have the polar opposite of a crappy LS.

[Khiinroye]

Bad linkshell rules do not make an example to leave the system as it is. A different set of linkshell rules might say that if an item is in your personal chest, the item is yours free of charge, but you can put it in the pool and only then it becomes a biddable item.

What's to stop a linkshell with bad rules from charging points to someone who takes an item out of their personal chest as the system is now? They'll get caught wearing it sooner or later, and then they'll be charged, or they can be sneaky by trying to hide the fact that they got X item in their chest.


If SE wants to prevent selling items to people who don't participate in the fight, they can add a second, public chest, that also requires voidstone usage to access. People could move items from their personal chest to the public chest, and people who qualified for items can access the second chest to get the excess drops.

[Atomic_Skull]

Developers, I beg you… please consider changing this. If this is the new endgame then make the rewards plentiful and the loot distribution smart instead of complete and utter garbage.

Ah but it *is* smart. A variable ratio reward schedule is the most addictive form of operant conditioning.

Basically, FFXI is a Skinner box, you are a rat, killing the mobs is pushing the lever and the drops are food pellets. Starting to get the picture yet?

I know, I know, common sense should tell you that a fixed ratio reward where X work = Y results should work better to keep you playing. Countless experiments show the actual situation to be the opposite. Random, unpredictable infrequent rewards will keep you playing longer. The gambling industry and the entire body of scientific research by B.F. Skinner prove this.

Crappy drops suck for us but for SE it's just good business sense, if somewhat evil.

[Septimus]

Ah but it *is* smart. A variable ratio reward schedule is the most addictive form of operant conditioning.

Basically, FFXI is a Skinner box, you are a rat, killing the mobs is pushing the lever and the drops are food pellets. Starting to get the picture yet?

I know, I know, common sense should tell you that a fixed ratio reward where X work = Y results should work better to keep you playing. Countless experiments show the actual situation to be the opposite. Random, unpredictable infrequent rewards will keep you playing longer. The gambling industry and the entire body of scientific research by B.F. Skinner prove this.

Crappy drops suck for us but for SE it's just good business sense, if somewhat evil.

This is true, until people get sick of it and quit. Look at what happened with CoP with the Jailer system, a large portion of the end-game populace up and left the game in disgust.

[Atomic_Skull]

This is true, until people get sick of it and quit. Look at what happened with CoP with the Jailer system, a large portion of the end-game populace up and left the game in disgust.

That's why Blizzard has a behavioral psychologist on the payroll to design their loot system to be as addictive as possible. You want to make it just cruel enough to addict them but not so cruel that they give up. CoP went way too far in making the rewards infrequent.

[Ravenmore]

Yea... if the other 17 people involved didnt tell anyone else, shout for members, and then quit... Being sneaky about obtaining things in the gaime come back to bite you. But being sneaky/the need or desire to be sneaky about obtaining items in this manner is eliminated by the voidwatch chest system. Just the drop rates/ getting multiuples of the same r/ex item is what suck. (Phillip Defranco quote) What the f*ck SE dev type people?

Still how would your LS ever know what you got in your box. Simple make it were it doesn't say what you take out. LSes though now think outside the box with all the big name LSes done and dead or shadows of thier fomor selfs. Now if your in a LS with people that would force you to give up you loot to all would find they have no members. With out ToDs to protect or pop sets to hold for the LS pick ups are more viable then ever. While most pick ups do suck doesn't mean that it can't be done and with no risk of loss. The game has changed and LSes know this if they want to keep thier members they can't do anything to upset the good ones.

[DarkBass]

Still how would your LS ever know what you got in your box. Simple make it were it doesn't say what you take out. LSes though now think outside the box with all the big name LSes done and dead or shadows of thier fomor selfs. Now if your in a LS with people that would force you to give up you loot to all would find they have no members. With out ToDs to protect or pop sets to hold for the LS pick ups are more viable then ever. While most pick ups do suck doesn't mean that it can't be done and with no risk of loss. The game has changed and LSes know this if they want to keep thier members they can't do anything to upset the good ones.

Because at least a few people pay attention and lying about how you got something gets found out. Also, this "force you to give up your loot to all" misinterpretation is called bidding on said items that go into the lot pool. Person with who bids the most points and can use= winning bidder of item in proverbial pool. But thankfully that whole process is deiscared with the individual reward system. Just getting multiple of the same type of r/ex item is dumb, as well as the incredibly low drop rate itself.

[Ravenmore]

If you don't tell how you got it since you could role with a pick up group. LSes are no longer need to make progress in the game. Yes pick up group can suck, but you know what sucks worest then a bad pick up a bad LS. Retarded rules and a group thats barely better then a pick up. I find LSes like this are the ones with these rules. Still doesn't mean anything how wouldd they find out without you telling them if they make it were it doesn't SHOW in the log. Once rewards get better with VWNM poeple will pug them more. Has your LS ask how you got any of your +2 items, AF3 feet made a big deal out of how you got it? If so you need to dictched right now.