NON-Clk'N'Buy Alternative route

[Neonii]

I still can't get it to work so at this point I said later for it. All the error messages after following instructions to the T caused me to much stress, I have little patience with stuff that refuse to work. I keep reading forums in case something user friendly comes up but at this point its to much. When they make it easy for me to pay them I will until then It is what it is, i'll play something else.

[Selzak]

Thanks Galka, let me clarify.

If you use the PayPal option they do not make you sign up for anything. As in, no 3rd party, no further steps needed.

Also its fairly easy find out through other web forums how bad of a reputation that particular Click'N'Buy people have.

Crysta sucks, wrong thread for that. Hate elsewhere please.

First of all, I apologize for being rude. I'm used to having to deal with Rosina, I think you've made an honest mistake here.

If you don't use Crysta, you have to use Click and Buy. Click and Buy is the only way to pay the exact amount of your subscription cost with actual currency. Click and Buy also appears to be charging a transaction fee.

If you don't use Click and Buy (and many people don't want to), you have to buy Crysta (which is what you're using Paypal, another third party, for). Crysta is bought in blocks, and you cannot purchase an exact amount of Crysta that correlates to the exact amount of money you owe for your subscription.

If you don't use Crysta (and many people don't want to), you have to go through Click and Buy. Ad infinitum~

So we've got a sort of Catch 22 here, hence why there's not really a solution and people have been complaining for weeks despite fully understanding the options. There's no confusion here, just poor options.

[Niyariko]

...Click and Buy also appears to be charging a transaction fee...

I wanted to add...

And blocking out many other countries, making it impossible for some region to make payment to continue playing with their account which was working fine for the past 8+ years.

This is one of the crucial reason why some of us hate it so much comparing with the POL direct Credit Card payment. SE is putting a boundary on the internet!

[Wo1verine]

Its cool Selzack, I completely understand why everyone is so annoyed at this. Also to the other posters, I agree, its incredibly annoying to see such an upsidedown system following one that was, for the most part, working just fine. The whole "don't fix whats not broken" thing just never seems to hit home with SE.

This is why I made this thread:

I still can't get it to work so at this point I said later for it. All the error messages after following instructions to the T caused me to much stress, I have little patience with stuff that refuse to work. I keep reading forums in case something user friendly comes up but at this point its to much. When they make it easy for me to pay them I will until then It is what it is, i'll play something else.

I'm trying to show people a quick and easy, albeit temporary and somewhat annoying, solution to this. So they can stop fussing around and get back playing the game, if they want. Any person who previously paid with a credit card can go "click click click" through the paypal link and be done in less than 5 minutes, without adding any additional accounts or agreements to a 3rd party. I am seeing alot of people saying that they "are spending hours trying to give SE my money" when in fact there is a very fast and easy way be done.

[RAIST]

If they do that though, then SE won't get the message. They will see that everyone aquiesced and migrated to the other system regardless of their disagreement with it.

Everyone who has been hit up by this, and has been coming to the forums already knows that Crysta is an option, but they have specific reasons for not using it.

If you are against it on principle, then you should resist the potentially more risky/costly alternatives they are trying to force you to use.

Money talks.... Bullsh!t walks.

[Alhanelem]

Was another thread on this topic really necessary? Given the domination of the front page by clickandbuy or payment related topics, it's pretty clear where people stand, and SE has responded to say they hear us.

[Wo1verine]

Was another thread on this topic really necessary? Given the domination of the front page by clickandbuy or payment related topics, it's pretty clear where people stand, and SE has responded to say they hear us.

I debated this myself. However the other threads your talking about seem to me to be a giant collection of people's opinions, without and real solid information. I did read through the stuff, for the most part, and found if any good information was hidden in that monolith of a ragefest they have going, it was pretty well hard to find.

Also I did not find anywhere, including in the sticky's, a detailed path to pay w/o a 3rd party agreement.

I know we are all upset about this, but it was not my intention to create another rage thread. I simply am trying to bring this small piece of information to the foreground, where hopefully it will help a frustrated person out, and possibly save people some time.

Also Raist I think I understand you. What you are speaking and others are proposing sounds like a good old American style "walk-out" or "sit-in" protest. I love the fighting spirit I really do. However I dont personally believe that this is well accepted in every culture worldwide. In other words, they probably really dont care as much as we think they should. As for the racism comments, I have no real understanding of international finance, so I cannot even surmise an opinion about that. There is a "petition" thread for these complaints to be posted in, as I am very sure you are aware.

[RAIST]

apparently you haven't read the threads then...everything in this thread has already been churned over and over again to infinity. Entire pages have been spent over crysta in several threads, as well a C&B and their issues.

The walk-through's SE put up for the transfer clearly show your options as well. You HAVE to make a choice--pay with C&B, or use Crysta. Can't get much clearer than that.

[Alhanelem]

Also I did not find anywhere, including in the sticky's, a detailed path to pay w/o a 3rd party agreement.

That's because there isn't one. That being said, I don't see the problem with this. Lots of companies (more than you think) use third party payment processors. I guess you could call them "fourth" parties, even, because technically Visa/Mastercard/etc are a third party as well. The only way to truly eliminate that would be to walk over to the company's offices and hand them cash.

What is it with people and "third parites"? I mean, in many cases it's unnecessary; but really- Unless you have some personal bone to pick with Paypal or Clickandbuy or Playspan (which is now owned by Visa, by the way), I really don't see the big deal. As long as it doesn't mean more costs to you (In most cases it doesn't, though there are some people caught in the middle that can't find a way to pay without incurring some kind of fee), how is that third party hurting or affecting you in any way?

//Paid for Crysta with paypal, Crysta appear on account within a minute, Crysta successfully pays FFXI fee. Where's the problem? Paypal certainly didn't screw me, nor did Playspan.

[RAIST]

the issue is simple... 1/3 regions has not been forced into it with no justification for doing so. The only answer from SE was the bogus claim it was for improved security--which has already been discredited. Fire walls and encryption provide the same protection for their JP players as it does for everyone else.

Also, injecting a third party into the mix creates another point of failure which makes things more prone to billing errors and complicates things further when there are issues. Cases in point, the past history of overbillings and locked accounts with Warhammer, Blizzard, and iTunes. Communication breakdowns between the multiple parties created errors that might well have been avoided if a more direct path for processing were used.