Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Ciecle]

ah sorry, just 89 pages of people raging about how 'unfair' it is...

I mean i understand people in the countries where it's illegal to make exchanges with japan, and i can understand where that would be a problem(many of these people still had offshore accounts with other countries that allowed them to make exchanges with japan). still no reason to try to hang people by a noose because SE tried to turn to a more convenient way of payment for their players that wont cost their players an arm and a leg to do...(not talking about crysta...)

SE could make crysta more convenient for players though.

What i would like to see for crysta is:

1 Crysta = $.01
50 Crysta = $.5
etc

[Revanchist]

equality is a 'bad' thing when it comes to this. If SE told everyone we're now going to be doing direct pay, but the current subscriptions would jump up 4+ dollars, everyone would freak out.

I'd rather pay the extra $4 if it kept the Direct Payment option (as I'm sure a lot of others would as well).

SE is trying to do what they've been planing. and that's dropping Playonline and only using it as a launch pad.

That may be so, but to force this change, so late in the game's life? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

Yes alternative methods can be found, just give SE time.

How much time will it take? The options specified aren't available to every country, only to a select few at this time. Countries where Crysta isn't legally accepted as a viable payment method, or don't have the gamer cards, what's left for the gamers in those countries? Sit back and wait for SE to sort this out? I already know quite a few people who are mad about this move.

Myself? Right now, I honestly don't care... too tired to keep arguing with SE apologists or such (my former linkshell was full of them... had to throw that pearl due to them saying that "Australians have no right playing this game" etc...). Granted not everyone is like that, but this move is dividing the playerbase into those who won't go ahead with this move either on principle or because they can't and those who think this is a great move by SE to weed out the 'undesirables'.

The direct payment route is still in place, as we've been using it for the last decade... It wouldn't take much on SE's part to reopen them again and enable gamers to pay directly to SE, just like what they're allowing JP players to do.

Sure you can cut into their bottom line, but how many more problems will that cause?

Make SE lose money = They start shutting down servers.
Start shutting servers down = More pissed off players
More pissed off players = More loss.

More than likely it was one of SE's accountants who forwarded a idea to increase revenue initially, without taking a second or two to step back and think of the long term repercussions of this.

[Ravenmore]

ah sorry, just 89 pages of people raging about how 'unfair' it is...

I mean i understand people in the countries where it's illegal to make exchanges with japan, and i can understand where that would be a problem. still no reason to try to hang people by a noose because SE turned to a more convenient way of payment for their players that wont cost their players an arm and a leg to do...(not talking about crysta...)

SE could make crysta more convenient for players though.

What i would like to see for crysta is:

1 Crysta = $.01
50 Crysta = $.5
etc

Thing is this is just the lastest in a long string of crap. Hell thier last single player game rip half its plot off from a game that came years before, only less rewarding then a game that was already over hyped and not nearly as fun. The they have the nevre to ask game mag not to review thier next attempt at a MMO that they had been working on for 5 years to release in a unfinished state. People were more forgiving with FF11 when it was released since it was thier first outing. So instead of them building off what they learned in FF11 they released a pile of crap. Then after people brought this whole BS with CnB up on 14 they then turn around a year later and having learned nothing or even tried to fix a problem they knew about already.

[Ciecle]

I'd rather pay the extra $4 if it kept the Direct Payment option (as I'm sure a lot of others would as well).

I for one wouldn't. Why should i be charged an extra 4 dollars to keep 'direct' payment option.

Myself? Right now, I honestly don't care... too tired to keep arguing with SE apologists or such (my former linkshell was full of them... had to throw that pearl due to them saying that "Australians have no right playing this game" etc...). Granted not everyone is like that, but this move is dividing the playerbase into those who won't go ahead with this move either on principle or because they can't and those who think this is a great move by SE to weed out the 'undesirables'.

I'm sorry you had to deal with the 'No right to play' people, but not everyone thinks this way. Everyone has a right to play. it's just the matter of having to deal with the government of said countries and such that banned all trading with certain countries.
I personally think this move is a better deal. I no longer have to deal with PoL's 'your card can not be verified.' crap

The direct payment route is still in place, as we've been using it for the last decade... It wouldn't take much on SE's part to reopen them again and enable gamers to pay directly to SE, just like what they're allowing JP players to do.

As i said before, what you think is 'not fair' is fair. jp players are having to pay taxes on this game where as you're not. They pay 5 dollars more just to play the game.Why would you want to pay 18 dollars to play...
12.95 x 12 = $155.4
17.95 x 12 = $215.4
total amount extra charged/year: $60.

[Ravenmore]

Whats not fair is the JPs don't have to go though a third party that is blocked by every large bank. They can buy the exact amount of crysta they need to pay for thier accounts too as well as dircect payment. Stop whiteknighting a company that is so out of touch with the world its bleeding money. Its been releasing sub par games and trading solely on the name of Final antasy. They should pay for this. I haven't bought a FF title since I bought 11. I can understand going to to thier own E-currancy I can't under stand why we can't buy in exact amounts. Then why us a company that a hour of leg work would have showed was a crap company. Stilled they knew about the short comings of CnB long before they used it for 11. Infact that both systems were blasted in every single review that FF14 got, you know those thing SE asked not to be made till they finished the game after it went on sale. How bout billing though paypay or even buying exact amount of crsyta with paypal.

Anyone that thinks SE is in the right on this has stockholm syndrome. They really need to start being held accountable and make games that are worth more then the packaging it came in. Even after all the fixs to FF14 I still don't see them getting anywere near 500k players FF11 had at its peak. When you have games like GWs2 coming that are looking like it will be the final nail for 14. When games are coming out that the makers are not asking the reviews to not review them SE is going to have to get thier act together and making it harder for the players to give SE thier money is not helping.

[Azagthoth]

I personally think this move is a better deal. I no longer have to deal with PoL's 'your card can not be verified.' crap

It works better for me; therefore, it must be awesome. Who cares about people that have payed the same way without issues for multiple years.

[Ravenmore]

Another thing is it is a rate increase with out them at least coming out and saying it. I forget how long you would have to play to work it were you wouldn't be giving SE free money. So either you played longer then you might have or just give in leaving what even you had left over up. Then CnB sends though dummy charges that are not really dummuy charges that they can put into you e-money account and hit you with the 3.9% fee. On top of your bank hitting you with transaction fees cause Click and rip is based in the UK. They really have no clue how to run a MMO and that why blizz and everyone else will keep blowing them by. I have yet to see any ads for FF14 since its been a year how long does it have to be in extented open beta(you have to buy) till its siuted for marketing.

[RAIST]

I for one wouldn't. Why should i be charged an extra 4 dollars to keep 'direct' payment option.


I'm sorry you had to deal with the 'No right to play' people, but not everyone thinks this way. Everyone has a right to play. it's just the matter of having to deal with the government of said countries and such that banned all trading with certain countries.
I personally think this move is a better deal. I no longer have to deal with PoL's 'your card can not be verified.' crap


As i said before, what you think is 'not fair' is fair. jp players are having to pay taxes on this game where as you're not. They pay 5 dollars more just to play the game.Why would you want to pay 18 dollars to play...
12.95 x 12 = $155.4
17.95 x 12 = $215.4
total amount extra charged/year: $60.

JP players have always had to pay local tax rates....it's nothing NEW to them. They ACCEPTED that when they FIRST started playing... so to use that as an argument is simply....flawed.

As for a $4 increase...your'e just grasping at numbers there to try to justify your argument against JP taxes. Nice strawman attempt? In the US, CC processing fees are assessed as a once a month base fee for the gateway (typically $20 or less), a once monthly maintenance/billing fee that is usually $10 or less, and several misceallaneous fees depending on features added that add up as fees like $2.50 here, $3.00 there. Some of any these monthly fees may get waived depending on varying factors, but there will be a monthly minimum due in the range of $20-$30. After that, there is a flat fee per transaction, often between $0.18 and $0.25 per transaction, and then a varying percentage up to around 3% when not discounted--discounted rates can get down below 2%.

So.... an extra $4 a billing when you are running down a few hundred thousand transactions a month, totaling well over $200k....I don't think so. At most, I would expect it to be $1 due to processing fees. I pay taxes online and they pass the % portion of the fee onto us and it is only 1.83%.

If you don't believe my estimations, here is a recent review of CC processors (granted, this was done as a comparison for US merchants, but some also do international processing as well):
http://credit-card-processing-review.toptenreviews.com/

Edit:
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[Vazerus]

stuff

Not that I disagree with your arguments against SE (I quit because of the billing bs), but..

What i would like to see for crysta is:

1 Crysta = $.01
50 Crysta = $.5
etc

...did you miss this post? He agrees that we shouldn't have to overpay, but was just stating how bad it is for them as well, and how bad it has been all along. That's what I'm getting from it, anyway.

-edit- I know some regions can't use Crysta, but this would solve my issue, anyway. It would be a step in the right direction along with other changes that should happen.

[RAIST]

Another thing is it is a rate increase with out them at least coming out and saying it. I forget how long you would have to play to work it were you wouldn't be giving SE free money. So either you played longer then you might have or just give in leaving what even you had left over up. Then CnB sends though dummy charges that are not really dummuy charges that they can put into you e-money account and hit you with the 3.9% fee. On top of your bank hitting you with transaction fees cause Click and rip is based in the UK. They really have no clue how to run a MMO and that why blizz and everyone else will keep blowing them by. I have yet to see any ads for FF14 since its been a year how long does it have to be in extented open beta(you have to buy) till its siuted for marketing.

100 cycles = $1295.00 USD in fees.
That's the LCD between $12.95 and $5.00, the smallest increment of Crysta you can buy.
So.. that would be at least 8 years to balance it out.