New Job Trait for Samurai. Bushido: Dual Wielding Great Katanas.

[Quetzacoatl]

Well, floating weapons is something you can do with dats, you can make that happen.

But does it deal extra damage? ha-HA!

[DarkBass]

But does it deal extra damage? ha-HA!

No, but you didnt say anything about extra damage XD

[Quetzacoatl]

No, but you didnt say anything about extra damage XD

It was implied, though...

[Raka]

I'm sorry, but I cannot support this idea. Unsure if it's mentioned in an earlier post, but Wouldn't it criple the point of even having Hasso or Seigan also? True or not that some Samurai were trained to wield two weapons in reality, doesn't necessarily mean it should be implemented in a game. Should just create a new class to be honest.

Asking for this is like asking to merge Ninja and Samurai into one class.

All and all, meant no disrespect with my post; Just my opinion.

[DarkBass]

I'm sorry, but I cannot support this idea. Unsure if it's mentioned in an earlier post, but Wouldn't it criple the point of even having Hasso or Seigan also? True or not that some Samurai were trained to wield two weapons in reality, doesn't necessarily mean it should be implemented in a game. Should just create a new class to be honest.

Asking for this is like asking to merge Ninja and Samurai into one class.

All and all, meant no disrespect with my post; Just my opinion.

With all due respect, It is not like merging Ninja and Samurai into one class. Because by that logic, You are saying Thief and Dancer are the same as Ninja, simply because they natively have Dual Wield. Hasso and Seigan wouldn't be affected at all by this addition (At least as far as my idea for the mechanics of it goes)because Great Katanas are still two handed weapons. Just Samurai's Mastery of the weapon would allow them to wield two, provided the offhand one is a Kanesada type. I feel this is a valid addtion for the DEV's to at least consider, since a good selection of updates to Samurai have been based off real life teachings and disciplines, and this only reinforces one of Samurai's strongest points. Fast tp gain.

[Karbuncle]

Unless you changed your Idea in the OP, this would not help them get TP faster, in fact if its still "Nerf offhand TP to 1/3rd TP" then it slows them down tremendously, because they're adding another 420 delay to their weapon, but only getting 1/3rd of the TP from said delay gain, meaning it would slow down the SAMs TP gain.

If you've changed the idea of the OP than you can ignore this.

Edit: and actually, after doing like, 3 minutes of research, i can't find any true Samurai training pertaining to the art of wielding 2 Large uchigatana or Katana class weapons Simultaneously. Most Samurai had a Large main weapon (Polearm, Staff, Katana) and a smaller weapon like a Tanto or Wakizashi:

From Wiki:

Smaller commonly known companion swords are the wakizashi and the tanto.[33] A katana and a Wakizashi or tantō together are called a daishō (literally "big and small"), the wearing of a daisho became the symbol of the samurai as only a samurai was allowed to wear the daisho.

I found it interesting Samurai also used Polearms and Bows well, as in FFXI... they also used this thing

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-YumiKai.gif

Look familiar? Reminds me of the Relic bow. Page Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumi

[DarkBass]

Heh, just had to put my two cents in on this one being a kenjutsu black belt. For those saying Samurai didn't duel wield two katana; I point you in the direction of Niten Ichi Ryu it is a style of sword fencing that was founded by The great Miyamoto Musashi. He according to which history you prescribe to had thousands of students, which are a whole lot of dual wielding samurai running around. In his style the second sword is also used as a throwing weapon. The style still exist and is practiced to this day. I got to go a seminar on it once it a pretty amazing sword style. Just some fun facts for yall to play with ^^

Here's the research for you. But in my further explained mechanics was maybe the dev's doing something different with the added delay math when it comes to this, ao that its slightly slower but still a faster gain in tp.

[Karbuncle]

That style of combat is, from what i can tell:

Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū is mainly known for the two-sword—katana and wakizashi—kenjutsu techniques Musashi called Niten Ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or Nitō Ichi (二刀一, "two swords as one").

a Great Katana, and a 1handed Katana, by FFXI standards, as its a Katana and a Wakizashi, a Large arm and a small arm.

I also found this: http://www.kampaibudokai.org/Nito.htm

and this Demonstration Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YbZIEI5Gg

The guy on the right is the one using the Nito technique (during the first part of the video), however from the video you can tell one Katana is vastly smaller than the other, i think this was still a matter of a Large Weapon, and a Small weapon. (in FFXI Terms, a Great Katana, and a Katana)

That and if im reading it right the "Dual wield" Part was only a small portion of the technique/training, it also involved staff weapons, and a multitude of Single-Wielding techniques, in fact i think only 5 out of the ~40 some odd Techniques of that particular style of combat involved 2 weapons. Seen Here:

Today the following sets of techniques (waza or kata) are transmitted:

Tachi Seiho—Twelve techniques with long sword.
Nito Seiho—Five techniques with two swords corresponding to the five forms in the Water Scroll.
Kodachi Seiho—Seven techniques with a short sword.
Bōjutsu—Twenty techniques with a staff.
Aikuchi roppo[2][3]
Jitte to jutsu—Five techniques against a sword

(From Wiki) those are the techniques taught in Niten Ichi-Ryu, as you can see, Nito-Seiho is the only of the group involving 2 weapons.

So while it is in some way historically accurate (however it was a Large weapon (Katana) and a Small side arm (Wakizashi), not 2 Large weapons (Katana), it was only a small part of the Samurai's technique, even for the Niten Ichi-Ryu style.

I think it would likely be better as a Stance, similar to Hasso/Seigan in that case. but i don't know how that'd work.

[DarkBass]

Good finds. It would certainly be nice if we got to offhand a wakizashi. Would still fit the main point of faster tp gain. Would suck to have do all those skill ups but its nothing too difficult. I personally would like to see another great katana. SE has been creative with their additions so i dont think it would be too farfetched. But if this gets implimented and its a Great Katana and a katana id be happy.

[Wataruryu]

That style of combat is, from what i can tell:



a Great Katana, and a 1handed Katana, by FFXI standards, as its a Katana and a Wakizashi, a Large arm and a small arm.

I also found this: http://www.kampaibudokai.org/Nito.htm

and this Demonstration Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YbZIEI5Gg

The guy on the right is the one using the Nito technique (during the first part of the video), however from the video you can tell one Katana is vastly smaller than the other, i think this was still a matter of a Large Weapon, and a Small weapon. (in FFXI Terms, a Great Katana, and a Katana)

That and if im reading it right the "Dual wield" Part was only a small portion of the technique/training, it also involved staff weapons, and a multitude of Single-Wielding techniques, in fact i think only 5 out of the ~40 some odd Techniques of that particular style of combat involved 2 weapons. Seen Here:



(From Wiki) those are the techniques taught in Niten Ichi-Ryu, as you can see, Nito-Seiho is the only of the group involving 2 weapons.

So while it is in some way historically accurate (however it was a Large weapon (Katana) and a Small side arm (Wakizashi), not 2 Large weapons (Katana), it was only a small part of the Samurai's technique, even for the Niten Ichi-Ryu style.

I think it would likely be better as a Stance, similar to Hasso/Seigan in that case. but i don't know how that'd work.

Awesome some one took the time to look up some of the info I imparted. Just wanted to point out like I did in one of my other post, is that the wiki does fall short on some of the information on the style. There are more then five techniques to the dual wield aspect, and your right there many other aspects to the training that goes with the style; Such as hand to hand i.e. jujutsu, but that is indicative of all koryu arts. The handling of two large katana is taught mostly as a battle field tactic; Not the one on one duel kata that makes up a large part of a kenjutsu artist training, and thats what seen on youtube.
Think of it like this, in a large claustrophobic battle field you need to maximize the area space around you to up your odds of survival. You've lost your naginata (which would be the most optimal weapon in the situation). You look to one of the downed solders near you to pick up one of his swords, logically which one would you choose the short one or the long one to maximize the area of protection on both sides of the body; Since the bulk of the samurai fights took place on battle fields like this, they needed to train for these situations. That's pretty much how it was explained to me at the last seminar I attended on it, when I asked about the reasoning behind the techniques they where showing us.
Anyway I'm rambling I get to excited talking martial arts, and tend to do that. Back to my point. I think its awesome you took the time to look up something new, and formulated some very valid points based off the information you did find. Oh and like the new sig Kingfury hooked you up. The whole suggestive look and boink made me lol. ^^