Quote Originally Posted by Sparthos View Post
The stories about the Celestial avatars seem to be written from the point of view of an ordinary citizen of Vana'diel. Most Vana'dielians know nothing about the Kuluu/Zilart conflict, the emptiness or that they are the result of the meltdown that happened in the wake of the earlier conflict.

The stories of the celestials seem to be nothing more than myth. A way for the people of Vana'diel to explain what they don't know.

What the player learns through RoTZ and CoP is a vastly different story that leaves no way for the celestials to have existed as mortals.

Altana created the world from the Mothercrystal, the Zilart attempted to reverse this process and were stopped by the Kuluu and Terrestrial avatars who would cease to exist if Vana'diel were destroyed. The conflict led to the dawn of the races that currently occupy the world.
This is correct, the Celestial Avatars came first. The 8 Celestial Avatars fell into slumber when the Mother Crystals were separated, Carbuncle fears that if they wake up they will attempt to merge the Mother Crystals back together to restore Paradise.

If I remember the story correctly the Terrestrial Avatars were normal animals before the Mother Crystals were split, and if they are merged again they will go back to being normal animals. They were created to protect the Mother Crystals, but the are less powerful than the Celestial Avatars since they were created after Paradise.

Now here is my question. It was clearly stated that there are only 8 Celestial Avatars (one for each element): Ifrit, Shiva, Garuda, Titan, Ramuh, Leviathan, Alexander, and Odin. It was clearly stated that there are only 5 Terrestrial Avatars (one for each Mother Crystal): Carbuncle, Fenrir, Diabolos, Bahamut, and Phoenix. Then what are Cait Sith, Atomos, Dark Ixion, and Auroral Alicorn? We know where Cait Sith came from, but what about the rest? Are they a class of Avatars like Temporal Avatars, or do they have some other classification? Inquiring Summoners want to know!