spharai vs verethgna..

[botaut]

I am a Monk main and for the past few month i have been wanting both of these weapons. both are obtainable with large amounts of time and money. But i just wanted to have a thread to talk about which is better dmg wise.

[Stormy]

Verethragna.

[Cream_Soda]

In abyssea
Vereth >>>>Rev Fists+2 >> Spharai

Outside

Vereth >> Spharai >> Rev+2

[Drhatchet]

Verethragna kicks the crap out of Spharai.

Victory Smite is a crazy, high damage weaponskill. After your first Smite, you get the same double damage on normal hits that Spharai get.
Bonus! Verethragna is faster to get *IF* you have a small group of people willing to help you.

With the upcoming changes to dynamis it might be easier to get Spharai (it all depends on the drop rate tweaks ect.), but Verethragna would still beat them down.

[Superchicken]

from a dmg aspect Verethanga

Now if you asked me which i would take i would rather have Relic for my monk. Go watch a mnk with Relics tank stuff vs a mnk with Verethanga you'll see what i'm talking about. All in all if i could only have one it would be relics for sure. If you want VS i'd suggest maybe the WoE version if you just want VS for the times you want to bring the noise, but if you notice with mnk you are tanking alot of the time whether you want to be or not, so relics are better imo for a mnk. Verethanga are for the epeen people who want to go "OH MAN you see how much dmg that victory smite did" but remember this, VS is a crit hit WS and really gains its benefits inside abyssea from the use of GH, RR atma use. Outside abyssea good luck with getting consistant big numbers due to the lower chance of criting on your WS, and if SE's next plans for endgame action strays from abyssea gonna see alot of =( from people who's empyrean WS's rely on critical hit help from abyssea atma.

It's like masamune's suffering now is the complete opposite. Its one of the weaker empyrean ws in abyssea because it is not a crit hit ws like VS, JR, Hi, etc, but take that masamune outside abyssea and put it up against those crit hit ws's and at 100% tp watch masamune prevail over the verethanga's, the almace's, etc.

Dont forget that for empyreans the occassional deals double dmg is only during aftermath when relics have hidden effects of 2-3 times dmg always active.

So basically if you want a weapon for high powered WS's in abyssea so you can emo to your friends about your big number VS dmg then verethanga, but if you want truly the best weapon for a mnk its Relic hands down

[Taint]

In abyssea
Vereth >>>>Rev Fists+2 >> Spharai

Outside

Vereth >> Spharai >> Rev+2

^ This from a damage perspective. VereMNK is just ridic with the damage. Relic adds a ton of Utility though, esp when you take away Atma. Spharai is one of the few Relics that still brings a lot to the table.

[Manicora]

lvl 90 relic will be best, but its insane to think you will get it any time soon, so for now settle for the Emp Vereth.

[Cream_Soda]

Go watch a mnk with Relics tank stuff vs a mnk with Verethanga you'll see what i'm talking about.

You mean where they are both reaching the counter hard cap but Sphrai don't need gnarled horn for it, so they get to use VV and still get crushed in damage and have the same counter rate?

VS is a crit hit WS and really gains its benefits inside abyssea from the use of GH, RR atma use.

You won't get abyssea numbers, but you'll still stomp Spharai. Especially since impetus is critical hit rate and critical hit dmg w/ af3+2 body.

Dont forget that for empyreans the occassional deals double dmg is only during aftermath when relics have hidden effects of 2-3 times dmg always active.

yea because 5% chance all the time is better than 30-50% depending on aftermath level, lol. Aftermath isn't hard to keep up, either.

but if you want truly the best weapon for a mnk its Relic hands down

Except for the fact that even outside of abyssea, you can get within 10% of the counter rate hard cap and that Vereth still outdamage spharai outside of abyssea as well, just not by the landslide you get in abyssea.



If you have both, there are situations where you'd want to use one over the other and vice versa, but if you could only have one of the two, I'd go w/ Vereth hands down.

[Superchicken]

you think abyssea is the last addition to this game? 90-99 i'm assuming there gonna take the content outside of abyssea hopefully and if they did i'd take Relic over Emp any day. Like i said, if you want to pour out the dmg then yes Emp go go, if you want to increase you survival and help your mnk tanking Relic. Abyssea puts everyone into a dream world, take the game outside of abysssea where you aren't getting your atmas.

[Cream_Soda]

you think abyssea is the last addition to this game? 90-99 i'm assuming there gonna take the content outside of abyssea hopefully and if they did i'd take Relic over Emp any day. Like i said, if you want to pour out the dmg then yes Emp go go, if you want to increase you survival and help your mnk tanking Relic. Abyssea puts everyone into a dream world, take the game outside of abysssea where you aren't getting your atmas.

So what do you lose w/ the atmas gone?

10% counter rate as far as defense goes and a lot of damage (but both weapons lose a lot of damage).

Again, you're still going to be able to get within 10% of the counter hard cap w/ both weapons.


Monsters outside of abyssea? Slow II and Elegy are going to be wanted again, which brings brd and rdm back into the picture.

Whm can get 5/tic base and 20/tic in atma. 25/tic.

Now we have no atma, but a brd and a rdm.

Refresh II 7/tic (w/ enhances refresh gear)

Ballad III + Ballad II (w/ enhance ballad gear that's not ghorn) 9/tic

5 + 9 + 7 = 21/tic.

Whms are still going to be bottomless pits of MP, even outside of abyssea.


While up to 10% counter is nice, for sure, it's not in any way shape or form going to be gamebreaking in favor of Spharai.