We need a crown

[Malamasala]

Only people really handing out the insults are the promelee crowd. So, we give them back to the promelee crowd. Seems only fitting that you receive what you hand out.

You make it sound like two big factions. Isn't it closer to me, Dallas and darn.. what is the galka called? And on the other side Korpg, Razushu and that lionheart fellow.

Besides, I'm not really pro melee. I'm pro Summoner. Spirits, staffs, wards, rages, pets, all of it. I care for the full job, not as some others who only accept the good parts of the job.

[Bubeeky]

You make it sound like two big factions. Isn't it closer to me, Dallas and darn.. what is the galka called? And on the other side Korpg, Razushu and that lionheart fellow.

Besides, I'm not really pro melee. I'm pro Summoner. Spirits, staffs, wards, rages, pets, all of it. I care for the full job, not as some others who only accept the good parts of the job.

Ty Mala, pro summoner is a good way to put it

[Korpg]

You make it sound like two big factions. Isn't it closer to me, Dallas and darn.. what is the galka called? And on the other side Korpg, Razushu and that lionheart fellow.

Besides, I'm not really pro melee. I'm pro Summoner. Spirits, staffs, wards, rages, pets, all of it. I care for the full job, not as some others who only accept the good parts of the job.

You are actually pro melee. You have stated many times that you would whack stuff to keep the damage up, but not whack off on everything. Our argument against that is TP feed. You don't acknowledge TP feed, so that puts you into pro melee side of the line.

[Malamasala]

You are actually pro melee. You have stated many times that you would whack stuff to keep the damage up, but not whack off on everything. Our argument against that is TP feed. You don't acknowledge TP feed, so that puts you into pro melee side of the line.

On the contrary, I know exactly how to deal with TP. If the NM will cause problems from TP feed, then there won't be any WARs or SAMs or RNGs on it, because it would be bad. At most it would be BLMs, who'd feed a tiny bit TP but do massive damage. And when the TP move goes off, they are out of range. So TP feeding is an argument against ALL melee jobs, not against SMN.

Besides, SMN isn't a worse TP feeder than BST, PUP, DNC, THF. It is mainly just a worse damage dealer. The best part though, is that you can avoid TP feeding by just disengaging when it becomes a problem, instead of never engaging for a "what if" scenario.

[Korpg]

On the contrary, I know exactly how to deal with TP. If the NM will cause problems from TP feed, then there won't be any WARs or SAMs or RNGs on it, because it would be bad.

Sorry, had to bring this out to show you that you don't know how to deal with TP. Why take the tank away from the NM? Who is going to deal damage? How are you going to kill anything if you take the one job that is capable of dealing a lot of damage to a mob while maintaining hate and, if the WAR is smart enough, tankability? SAMs, maybe, RNGs? Seriously? They don't really feed that much TP at all to be honest, and it wouldn't be hard for them to stop, you know, shooting. They don't even need a weapon out to do damage.

At most it would be BLMs, who'd feed a tiny bit TP but do massive damage. And when the TP move goes off, they are out of range. So TP feeding is an argument against ALL melee jobs, not against SMN.

And yet again, you don't know anything about TP feed, or really, enmity. WARs on the mob is completely acceptable because they can tank while doing damage. Can you say the same for BLMs?

Besides, SMN isn't a worse TP feeder than BST, PUP, DNC, THF. It is mainly just a worse damage dealer. The best part though, is that you can avoid TP feeding by just disengaging when it becomes a problem, instead of never engaging for a "what if" scenario.

BST: only if the master is with the pet whacking off on a mob, then you have a point.
PUP: only if the master is with the pet whacking off on the mob, but BLM automations can do the same thing as a SMN in dealing with hate free damage.
DNC: Subtle Blow says hi.
THF: SA/TA says hi. Sure it deals TP, but for the damage delt, the damage is worth the TP fed to the mob.

You can also avoid feeding TP by just not meleeing at all. Did you know that?

[Bubeeky]

I'm not a huge fan of meleeing on smn....not because I don't melee on a mage, matter of fact, I set my whm up for melee quite often my problem is that as a taru smn, if I get sneezed on during a stiff wind, I get killed lol so I prefer to keep myself out of danger

[Malamasala]

Sorry, had to bring this out to show you that you don't know how to deal with TP.

I'm pretty sure it is obvious you are the one who do not know. Considering my rules of play is "Melee when it is safe" and yours is "Any SMN on any monster means TP spam so whole party wipes".

PS. I thought it was obvious one tank WAR could stay, but I guess for Korpg needs everything spelled out to avoid him thinking everyone else is an idiot.

[Korpg]

I'm pretty sure it is obvious you are the one who do not know. Considering my rules of play is "Melee when it is safe" and yours is "Any SMN on any monster means TP spam so whole party wipes".

PS. I thought it was obvious one tank WAR could stay, but I guess for Korpg needs everything spelled out to avoid him thinking everyone else is an idiot.

Too many melees on any mob is TP spam. So you leave out the melees that do the least amount of damage. The days of throwing bodies on a mob to kill it are over. Which, by the sounds of it, your alliance still does.

Even if the mob you are killing doesn't have any "dangerous" TP moves, you can still wipe a party/alliance by feeding TP on it. I have seen alliances wipe to Aggressor Antlion where I have soloed it easy. Same to that dragon in the canyon that flies all the time.

You still don't know anything about being a real DD.

[Dallas]

I'm not a huge fan of meleeing on smn....not because I don't melee on a mage, matter of fact, I set my whm up for melee quite often my problem is that as a taru smn, if I get sneezed on during a stiff wind, I get killed lol so I prefer to keep myself out of danger

What is your HP at? I'm around 2k in Abyssea, which is more than enough to allow myself to be sneezed on. Outside, everything meleeable uses a hankerchief to sneeze.

[Malamasala]

You can keep spreading your doom and gloom view of the game all you want. I know how to balance the thin line between danger and safety to my own advantage.

Notice though that my advantage is not the alliance advantage. If it was, I'd quit SMN and play WAR or WHM.