Confessions of a Leech

[Leonlionheart]

We, and you too are entitled to our various opinions.

But your opinion is so wrong!

lol

[Octaviane]

According to you I guess, enjoy

[Leonlionheart]

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That's your opinion again, what did I tell you about that...

lol I'm JK though.<- Highlight me

[Theytak]

I love threads where two sides argue pointlessly, each side missing key information that the other side has, and yet assuming that the other side has said missing key information. This thread is all sorts of lulz.

Let me help you guys out.

Pro-leecher people are individuals who put more value in instant-gratification game play. Back in Hard-core FFXI, we used to joke about how wow sucked because it was so easy, everything was just handed to you.

Conversely, Anti-leecher people are those who value the increased sense of reward one feels after putting time and effort into achieving something.

You can tell which side you fall to based on how you look at old-school grinding.

In the case of someone like Leon, it's obvious he's of the instant-gratification mindset, based on how he describes the old grind as, to paraphrase, "killing 90000 crabs and crawlers". Conversely, someone like Rosina is of the effort-for-reward side, acknowledging the experience in teamwork and the lessons learned through slow-grind.

Both sides to the argument are legitimate and have completely acceptable and understandable viewpoints on leeches. At the end of the day, you'll wind up playing with people who are like-minded in regards to reward vs effort, because you won't be able to tolerate being around the other mindset, and regardless, the fact that everyone accepts that it's not gear, but rather competence, that makes a player good or bad is the important thing. (IE: I'd pick someone in shit-meh gear who knew how to play their job over someone in amazing gear including relic/empy weapon that was as dumb as a sack of hammers and approached content that requires strategy with the same mindset of "buttonmash and hope for the best, because my gear is awesome".)

[Meyi]

There's nothing wrong with wanting relatively quick gratification. I personally prefer working for things, but being guaranteed to eventually obtain them if I put in the work, such as Magians.

As for leveling, it was fun. I enjoyed it for about five of my jobs. But it got old. I didn't find the enjoyment in it anymore and I find Abyssea much more enjoyable. The fast pace, the big numbers, all of it is what I call exciting.

[Leonlionheart]

I have a problem.

My party just took over the north A La Theine Plateau camp so I can leech.

[Rosina]

I have a problem.

My party just took over the north A La Theine Plateau camp so I can leech.

this made me lol XD

Sorry for my icky comment was in a bit of a foul mood.

All in all my stand point is unless ok'ed by a party. Leeching is rude. Just do not like the superiority complex on "i leech and abd better then anyone who don't leech" << comments like this give polite leechers a bad name.

So again sorry for my posts from before

[Olor]

Take a real life example, you can read up on how to make a cake and decorate it all you want. But you will never really learn if yiu do not physically learn how to do it. If simply reading stuff makes people "good" at their jobs we would all be rich since we would master any sorta of job.

I read a book about HTML, XHTML, and CSS which got me a job as a entry level web designer. I then continued to read up on PHP because that was the core coding language used at the company at the time, I then quickly excelled in my department to the point I became the go to guy for questions about bugs in other co-worker's coding. All this started by reading, mind you I hate reading in general but even I will acknowledge it takes less time to learn how to do something by reading a well written guide over trial and error.

In other words I've gotten pretty far just by reading and implementing what I've read. This statement is true about this game as well.

I had a similar experience to Zagen. Got a job doing communications, then got asked to write a press release - I googled "how to write a press release" copied the formatting, used common sense for the messaging, sweet talked a few reporters, and made a name for myself in the organization as someone who was good at what I did. I don't have a post-secondary degree but I work in a knowledge based industry alongside people with their master's degrees.

"If simply reading stuff makes people "good" at their jobs we would all be rich since we would master any sorta of job."

Except that some people suck at reading, other people suck at learning from reading, many people are too lazy to even bother reading, and a good number of people are too stupid to apply what they read to what they do, so in the end, most people don't end up mastering anything, let alone "any job."

There are some things you need hands on experience for, but most things can be learned from a well written instruction manual. And as for school, most of it is bullsht.

In fact, going to university and getting a random degree teaches you just as much about most real life jobs, as 6-man grind parties teach a person about how to play their XI job - which is very little.

Unless you're going to find a job writing essays and taking exams, there is very little practical knowledge to be gained from the typical liberal arts degree. And unless you're going to be killing loleasy pink birds and crabs in six man parties for endgame, there is very little you will learn in them that you can't learn by tooling around with a friend or reading a message board/wiki.

[Rosina]

I more or less was trying to say, you read how to make a cake and all of a sudden just buy reading, your a master cake maker. (pretty much with out EVER making a cake)

[Olor]

I more or less was trying to say, you read how to make a cake and all of a sudden just buy reading, your a master cake maker. (pretty much with out EVER making a cake)

But you're saying sauteing some greens (which is just putting some greens in a pan) will give you the experience to be a master cake maker.

The way you play when you exp is, in my experience, UTTERLY DIFFERENT from the way you play on anything that matters, unless what you are doing is so straight forward and obvious that you can learn to do it in minutes.

There are exceptions - Like I think soloing exp on bst can help teach how to solo other things, just cause you deal with a significantly larger amount of "oh shi... moments than you do in a party and cause it is pretty much the same thing in a lot of cases.