Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Nala]

or how about, being a TH whore only is just about as fun as watching paint dry? we were one of the original 6 jobs, and originally we were a DD.

just because you only care to TH whore doesn't mean that the rest of us want that to be our ONLY role in anything, i dont want to be the top DD in the game, hell i dont care if they even give us some kind of weak buff, but at this point any augment to our damage capabilities would be nice (DW1 aside... though that can hardly be called a buff)

and as the previous post states, war getting the ability to force crit outside abyssea without a positional restriction is just wrong, yeah yeah we get DEX mods, when the NM's in the middle of doing the normal whirlwind hate dance when are we suposed to sneak attack? oh wait lets hid... opps that doesnt work on NM's hmmm.... i got it control hate with accomplise!! nvm i have hate now.

i've been a thief since day one of my time playing this game, and ive waited, very patiently, for 4/7ish years ive been playing very patiently for any life signs on the matter on hand, this manifesto has crushed any hope i had that they may ever do anything for thief besides forcing the job into a TH only role. This is a game after all, i play to have fun, fun isn't running in and getting scolded for feeding tp, or trying to chase an NM's back for sneak attack, fun isn't tickling mobs outside abyssea.

For those of you who would argue go level another job, well what if im told to come to an event on thief what then? your argument fails, im now without choice on the matter.

As a closing statment its not just in the NA forums that DD augments are being requested, so if you want to jump in here and go LOLTHFDD LEVELAREALJOBNOOB, GTFO not only are you a minority in this matter but you're a damn retard.

[Nebo]

or how about, being a TH whore only is just about as fun as watching paint dry? we were one of the original 6 jobs, and originally we were a DD.

I'll tell you what. I would be perfectly happy (really happy actually) being a loot whore job if being a Treasure Hunter had anything at all to do with the skill of the THF. Or if vastly superior DD jobs with "!!" weakness triggers couldn't increase drop rates better than I could ever hope to.

When a naked, subjobless mule account with only 3 pieces of gear can do the exact same job that a near-decade career THF can....there is really something wrong.

I'm going to link to a post that I think sums up my feelings on this pretty well. Banalaty over on Allakhazam had this to say about THF:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...2&h=50&p=5#210

What Im gettin at is that all the other jobs are chosen based on what player PLAYS their niche the best. If you have 2 whms and you want 1, you pick the one who heals better/more efficiently. Everyone knows the difference between having the 4th string benchwarmer whm in your party instead of your LS A-Team whm. One always seems to have MP and everyone alive. The other is out of MP in 15 seconds and everyone is dead. Everyone knows the difference between a crappy war and a good war they know. When you go through your linkshell/friendlist to fill a job role you try to get the GOOD one 1st.

THe definition of a 'good' whm vs a 'bad' whm is a skill based distinction. One sucks, the other doesnt. There are good wars that rape face and bad ones that just cant ever seem to do any damage. There are plds that cant hold hate for crap and die to 'easy' mobs. There are good ones that can seem invincible. My point is that for virtually every job, when filling a role, the 1st thing you look for is who is better at the job and that difference is skill based. For thf, you ask "Who has TH6?".

Thf is the only job that when choosing one, the priority is made exclusivly by 3 pieces of gear. Hands, Weapon, Feet. It isnt who plays it well unlike, say a whm. If thf is forced into a nich (which every job is more or less) then the difference between a good and bad thf should be skill based (like every other job) and not the aquisition of 3 pieces of gear. (see my example a few posts up about being the 'best' thf in LS but not having TH6). The 'skill' of a thf is rated second to their TH level. The skill should be the most important thing just like every other job.

Nothing wrong with filling a specific niche. Nothing at all. The difference is TH niche has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with 3 pieces of gear, and that is the ONLY niche thf fills. Thus I would propose either: Make TH somehow skill-based (dont know how that would be implemented well) or give them a new niche (tons of way to implement). Id rather not compete in the flooded DD 'niche' so to speak.

There are still times that you dont need a super leet whm, and really any whm will do. This is true for thf as well. SOemtimes you JUST need TH and really any thf will do, but there is not really any time that you NEED a skilled thf, but you do need a skilled (tank, healer, support, DD etc). Something like expanding the hate manipulation or some other 'niche' would mean there ARE times that you would specifically seek out a 'skilled' thf over anyone with TH6. That is the distinction that I would like to see come to thf. A point where it matters at all what you do besides have TH6.