Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Draylo]

It is Draylo were talking to...

Meaning? None of your posts in this discussion have been particularly exempt of what I just said.

[Nynja]

Youre giving examples of what you think thf's secondary roles could be, and they're roles that ARE outshined by other jobs. Saccing? ANYONE can sac, theres no skill or talent involved in "aggro that and run and die far away". The only thing is thf has a greater safety net between flee and evasion, but any job can sac stuff.

[Draylo]

I know that, you realize other jobs can enfeeble besides BLM? It was in response to carbuncle saying THF only did ONE thing and he listed BLM as doing nuking AND enfeebling. My response was listing things THF can do in addition to that one thing, like he did with BLM. Do people use BLMs as primary enfeeblers? No, they don't. Are they able to fulfill the role to some degree? Yes they can. Same thing applies to what I was talking about with THF.

[Karbuncle]

Well, then i should clarify what i meant. we're generally only invited for 1 thing, TH.

Looking back, I can agree we're invited to kill ourselves occasionally, But i try not to think of that as a positive for the job, as it simply speaks louder on how bad the job is that the best use they can determine for outside of TH it is sac-pulling.

[Nynja]

And I said that your "other roles" are dumb...atleast blm's have UNIQUE enfeebles as well. And your comment about status bolts is dumb. Even with all the racc gear, bumping C+ up with full racc gear is still probably equivalent to a naked A- weapon.

Does it make sense, at all, that one of the more complex jobs, between the multitude of necessary gear and JA/positional micromanagement still fall behind a "engage & hit WS every 30 seconds" job?

[Karbuncle]

And for what its worth.

My intent is not to "come out of the woodworks and team up against you" (as i've been posting in this thread since about the time it started, So technically i was here first...), I'm only answering questions/concerns/giving opinions on posts i see i could answer.

Nothing more.

[Draylo]

And I said that your "other roles" are dumb...atleast blm's have UNIQUE enfeebles as well. And your comment about status bolts is dumb. Even with all the racc gear, bumping C+ up with full racc gear is still probably equivalent to a naked A- weapon.

Does it make sense, at all, that one of the more complex jobs, between the multitude of necessary gear and JA/positional micromanagement still fall behind a "engage & hit WS every 30 seconds" job?

Unique enfeebles... wat? Sleep, stun are unique? The other roles aren't "Dumb" they were used all the damn time. Seriously, you are just trying hard to make my opinion seem invalid or something. People sac pulled with THF all the time. THF was a puller in dynamis, THF is a tank now in Abyssea. They are secondary roles... just quit.

[Karbuncle]

I would say he's talking about "Break" but i think RDM gets that. Stun DRK has.. Sleepga/Sleepga II perhaps are technically unique, but Manifesto takes care of that.

Either BLM is still a great Enfeebler. Break/Sleep/Stun, and if /RDM, Gravity/Bind all greatly assist a BLM in certain situations.

Just like THF killing itself.

[Nynja]

unique as in Break and Sleepga2, regardless of practical utility of Break lol...hmm I thought Break was unique to BLM, I never bothered getting it on any of my chars because it was useless.

[Draylo]

Break isn't unique, SCH and RDM have it. Sleepga2 can be done with /SCH or SCH main or dream flower.