Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Nynja]

So TH is obsolete when it works on 90% of the content, but because 10% doesn't work its useless?



1- They can be hit with a ranged attack and kited away from the main party, it was done all the time in the past or did you never use that?
2- Yes but why use a different job when you can use THF who can just come back and place TH on prudence? This also wastes that persons sub job when most people do more than one jailer. Again, it was an EXAMPLE.
3- There is a shitload of RACC gear in the game, in addition to sushi.....

When that 90% of content is outdated and useless, and that other 10% doesnt require it...yeah TH is useless broski.

1-Karb covered it, but to illicit a second response: doing /ra and running isnt exactly "evasion holding", its as you said "doing /ra and running away", which any job can do.
2-Why risk the thf dying and then getting no TH, or having to wait for thf to get up, might as well have the smn/thf do it.
3-So, after all this about talking about how weak thf's damage is, you're going to further hinder yourself by using sushi. high five

[Draylo]

Then Elaborate? it helps people understand what you're asking.

I did elaborate in the exact post you quoted... jesus.

"Eliminates competition for that item due to the THF getting it and maybe passing it on to other people, or stealing valuable synth materials to craft something for the group, like the voidwatch items."

Then don't act all hurt when I say things like "I said this before" or "I've addressed this concern" when you're the one whos too lazy to read the thread. You don't even have to read far, I literally addressed it all on like, the second page. My opinion has changed a bit since then. But i do not feel that is a valid excuse not to read a thread and then expect people who you interract with to not get upset you're basically bringing up and saying things that have already been brought up.

Don't respond to me then, simple enough. Repeating yourself is so terrible, your fingers must be blistering *rolleyes*

Really, It just bugs me when you say things like "LOL YEW WANT THF BE GOOD AS WARS?!!?" When thats the one thing i constantly try to say I do not want.

Yeah I was asking a question... I think you might have took it the wrong way. I don't attack everyone in every post I make, although it seems like people feel that way on the internet all the time.

Again, thats my only concern. Inside Abyssea i feel the job is amazing. Its outside content, where the game is going to go, thats worries me the most, Especially considering their recent "Vision" on the job being an insult.

I understand that, it was a simple example though. Just like you gave enfeebling for BLM as an example, they don't enfeeble NM's in a party setting, especially in Voidwatch.

No, We used RDM's and Diaga, Like good groups usually do. Only exception is the Jailer you need to flee from.

Why waste the RDM when they can be used for healing or additional nukes? THF would only need to place TH, especially on something as evasive/PD spamming as JoP. Good groups? Last I checked, most good groups used THF just for TH in the past and the RDM dealt with the more important roles like... keeping people alive or contributing to the NMs death through nukes. Another example would be Salvage, the gear train or other areas where a THF sacs, also Dynamis.

[Nynja]

Last I checked, most good groups used THF just for TH in the past and the RDM dealt with the more important roles like... keeping people alive or contributing to the NMs death through nukes.

rifl ^_^ ufunny

[Draylo]

When that 90% of content is outdated and useless, and that other 10% doesnt require it...yeah TH is useless broski.

1-Karb covered it, but to illicit a second response: doing /ra and running isnt exactly "evasion holding", its as you said "doing /ra and running away", which any job can do.
2-Why risk the thf dying and then getting no TH, or having to wait for thf to get up, might as well have the smn/thf do it.
3-So, after all this about talking about how weak thf's damage is, you're going to further hinder yourself by using sushi. high five

How do you figure Abyssea is going to be useless.... lol. Empy weapons are useless, you heard it here first everyone.

1- Yeah but the other jobs can have more useful functions, it was a secondary role that THF can perform while not inhibiting efficiency much.
2- How do you figure you won't get TH? It takes time for the second JoP to despawn, enough for the THF to make it back and smack TH on. This was before you can just zerg them both down at 90 cap or the increase TH levels.
3- Again, something you seem to not be getting, it was an example. If THF secondary role is to deal with add control it is a viable option. Pro-Tip, sushi doesn't hinder damage if it enhances acc on something that is evasive like new end game NMs might be.

[Draylo]

rifl ^_^ ufunny

You must have sucked at RDM then :/

[Karbuncle]

I did elaborate in the exact post you quoted... jesus.

Elaborating before it causes a 2 page debate would be insanity then? Is it hard to flesh out your ideas and explain them in a clear concise way on the first attempt =.=a?. I'm not asking for 20 paragraphs just a little elaboration.

When someone sees more "Steal and mug", they will assume the worst. maybe its a human flaw. but should prepare for it...

"Eliminates competition for that item due to the THF getting it and maybe passing it on to other people, or stealing valuable synth materials to craft something for the group, like the voidwatch items."

So, an ability to steal an Item, of some sort, and transfer it to the pool? Good in theory, As long as it was useful items and worked on NMs. However, It would have to be a different Steal JA, I don't think it would be possible to program something like that into the current steal system.

However you could just trade it at the end? Just make steal work on NMs with unique steal pools and this could be interesting.

Don't respond to me then, simple enough. Repeating yourself is so terrible, your fingers must be blistering *rolleyes*

Read the thread then, Simple enough, taking 15 minutes to educate yourself on the posts in a topic must be so irritating. (roundabout is fair game no?)

Yeah I was asking a question... I think you might have took it the wrong way. I don't attack everyone in every post I make, although it seems like people feel that way on the internet all the time.

Bullcrap, Don't play the victum. I stated my opinion same as you and there was never a single personal insult. There was heat behind my words because I'm passionate about the job, You're as guilty as i am for exacerbating the situation.

Why waste the RDM when they can be used for healing or additional nukes? THF would only need to place TH, especially on something as evasive/PD spamming as JoP. Good groups? Last I checked, most good groups used THF just for TH in the past and the RDM dealt with the more important roles like... keeping people alive or contributing to the NMs death through nukes. Another example would be Salvage, the gear train or other areas where a THF sacs, also Dynamis.

And If im not mistaken almost all groups used RDM or some job with Diaga to sac multiple adds. Odin fight comes to mind. if we wanna talk about "Woulda-coulda-shoulda" you're correct. I'm only going by what was actually done.

[Draylo]

Perfect example of how people are over the internet... I have one opinion about THF and getting extra utility and people come out of the woodwork just to flame for no reason. HERP DERP I AGREE WIT U BUT WE MUST RGUE ADDING ANY JABS OR PASSIVE AGGRESSIVENESS WE CAN MANAGE.

[Karbuncle]

Perfect example of how people are over the internet... I have one opinion about THF and getting extra utility and people come out of the woodwork just to flame for no reason. HERP DERP I AGREE WIT U BUT WE MUST RGUE ADDING ANY JABS OR PASSIVE AGGRESSIVENESS WE CAN MANAGE.

Hypocrisy much? You're posts have just as much if not more passive aggressive sarcasm.

[Draylo]

So, an ability to steal an Item, of some sort, and transfer it to the pool? Good in theory, As long as it was useful items and worked on NMs. However, It would have to be a different Steal JA, I don't think it would be possible to program something like that into the current steal system.

However you could just trade it at the end? Just make steal work on NMs with unique steal pools and this could be interesting.

Yes, for example, some of the newer items added require synth mats from VNM chests. If a THF had an ability to steal those mats they could be used to synth those new equips for LS members or what have you. Yeah I meant for more steal abilities, basically what I am trying to get at with my opinions is that THF should have more utility in enhancing loot/gil for the collective. Being able to steal certain pieces of gear, or hell make some NM fights different by stealing temp items that can be used to paralyze or terror a mob for x amount of time?

[Nynja]

It is Draylo were talking to...