Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Draylo]

Which is why I suggested they added more utility to the job. You think adding more DD is going to make people wanna take THF over MNK or WAR or some other better DD for an event where TH isn't needed? I highly doubt that.

@Karbuncle, No I'm not trolling, and I'm not being daft either. I was asking a question, not stating something. If you aren't advocating for THF to be top tier DD then good, if so, get your head out of the clouds. THF only doing one thing? Hello, have you met White Mage, Bard, Black Mage?

I never said THF should remain mediocre (this is a bad statement too, THF is extremely important in this game. I use it for almost EVERYTHING due to increase drop rates which lowers the amount of time you spend doing X thing.) They should be given more utility, yes they can upgrade damage but that shouldn't be a primary focus as it seems you want it to be. If you wanna play a DD job go job change to WAR.

[Karbuncle]

Which is why I suggested they added more utility to the job. You think adding more DD is going to make people wanna take THF over MNK or WAR or some other better DD for an event where TH isn't needed? I highly doubt that.

I don't want the Useless kind of Utility is all. a DD improvement and some unique aspects to the job? I could accept either/or.

Secondly, No I don't think they'd invite THF for DD, You don't get it... Thats probably my fault for not spelling it out enough. I'm saying that this tiny DD boost will make us replace a SAM or WAR, Duh, Thats not what i want.

I want, that when Invited to TH whore a mob, That i can at least pull off acceptable numbers that its worth meleeing the mob. Right now its really not, the only reason a THF DDs now is because they cant do anything else. I just want our DD to be a little better so its not so pitiful.

I don't expect to replace a DD, i want to improve damage a bit so when i am invited for TH, i can at least contribute to the party in more than just that 1 way. contribute well.

@Karbuncle, No I'm not trolling, and I'm not being daft either. I was asking a question, not stating something. If you aren't advocating for THF to be top tier DD then good, if so, get your head out of the clouds. THF only doing one thing? Hello, have you met White Mage, Bard, Black Mage?

Try reading the thread before posting then? No i dont want THF to be a top tier DD. I'm sorry if i gave that impression.

On 1-thing jobs

WHM - Cure and Buffing both well.
BLM - Enfeebling and Nuking
BRD - you got me there, All they do is sing.

I never said THF should remain mediocre (this is a bad statement too, THF is extremely important in this game. I use it for almost EVERYTHING due to increase drop rates which lowers the amount of time you spend doing X thing.) They should be given more utility, yes they can upgrade damage but that shouldn't be a primary focus as it seems you want it to be. If you wanna play a DD job go job change to WAR.

If you read my Edit, I said I'd take utility gain. As long as its not worthless utilities like Enmity control like their "Vision". no one has invited or needed a THF for Enmity control since i started this game in early 2004.

[Draylo]

I don't want the Useless kind of Utility is all. a DD improvement and some unique aspects to the job? I could accept either/or.

I agree, but how are additional steals for more loot/gil useless utility?

Secondly, No I don't think they'd invite THF for DD, You don't get it... Thats probably my fault for not spelling it out enough. I'm saying that this tiny DD boost will make us replace a SAM or WAR, Duh, Thats not what i want.

I want, that when Invited to TH whore a mob, That i can at least pull off acceptable numbers that its worth meleeing the mob. Right now its really not, the only reason a THF DDs now is because they cant do anything else. I just want our DD to be a little better so its not so pitiful.

Um, what about THF DD is "pitiful" atm? I assume you are referring to Voidwatch? Otherwise I hope this is a joke in regards to old content(which THF DD'd just fine on at 75 cap aside from few high end NMs) and Abyssea.

I don't expect to replace a DD, i want to improve damage a bit so when i am invited for TH, i can at least contribute to the party in more than just that 1 way. contribute well.



Try reading the thread before posting then?

WHM - Cure and Buffing both well.
BLM - Enfeebling and Nuking

We are talking about primary roles here, BLM is a nuker and WHM is a healer, buffs fall under healing and light enfeebling (uh sleep?) doesn't really count as a huge secondary role.

Aside from that, I tank almost everything on my Thief. Thief is a DD, a Tank, Utility in TH, one of the few ability to reduce hate (WHM don't regain hate that quickly, BLM can deal more damage when a THF steals enmity even if it only lasts for 3 nukes or so before they start getting beat.) Thief is a great soloer, can hold mobs very well with evasion, in the past was a decent puller, can enfeeble with bolts (zomg look, same thing you did for BLM). etc etc, stop trying to seem like THF does nothing but TH.

If you read my Edit, I said I'd take utility gain. As long as its not worthless utilities like Enmity control like their "Vision". no one has invited or needed a THF for Enmity control since i started this game in early 2004.

I agree, why you are attacking my thoughts though, I don't know.

[Karbuncle]

Wait a sec!

[Nynja]

(1)Thief is a great soloer, (1)can hold mobs very well with evasion, (2)in the past was a decent puller, (3)can enfeeble with bolts (zomg look, same thing you did for BLM). etc etc, stop trying to seem like THF does nothing but TH.

1-awesome for party aspect...what part of an instanced fight will reqire holding mobs with evasion? Most are 1 boss...
2-in the past...key word, PAST
3-good luck

[Draylo]

1-awesome for party aspect...what part of an instanced fight will reqire holding mobs with evasion? Most are 1 boss...
2-in the past...key word, PAST
3-good luck

1- If there is a fight with a mob that pops multiples copies ? I can think of Blodbignag and a few others.. It was an example.
2- Yes the past... there hasn't been a need for a "puller" anymore, but fights can be invented that use that. A lot of people used THF to kite off Jailer of Prudence with flee for example.
3- Good luck? It is the same deal as BLM, it can be used to crowd control if needed, sleep bolts etc.

[Nynja]

1- If there is a fight with a mob that pops multiples copies ? I can think of Blodbignag and a few others.. It was an example.
2- Yes the past... there hasn't been a need for a "puller" anymore, but fights can be invented that use that. A lot of people used THF to kite off Jailer of Prudence with flee for example.
3- Good luck? It is the same deal as BLM, it can be used to crowd control if needed, sleep bolts etc.

1-The only way a thf is going to get hate on those extra copies that spawn attacking a different target would be to attack them, but they cant attack and hold multiple enemies at once.
2-Any job /thf could kite off JoP and die as well...
3-Good luck means with our C+ Marks you're not going to hit a god damn thing.