ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Taint2]

With Apoc you can wear the full DRK AF3+2 set and get all of it's bonuses and still have capped haste.

5/5 AF3 is not a good gear set. The set bonus is not worth the loss.

[wish12oz]

5/5 AF3 is not a good gear set. The set bonus is not worth the loss.

Apoc aftermath is 10% haste, and counts as gear haste, you don't actually lose anything depending on what pants/shoes you were wearing before, and it could potentially be a big increase.

[Atomic_Skull]

Let me rephrase that, you can wear full AF3 except for the body which you can replace with the Twilight Mail and still have capped haste.

Bale Burgeonet +2: Haste+6% STR+7 Scythe skill+7 (swap with Twilight helm for WS)

Bale Gauntlets +2: Haste+5% ACC/ATT+10 (swap with Heafoc(?) for WS)

Twilight mail ACC+25 All stats +15 (swap with Ares for WS)

Bale Flanchard +2: STR+12 ACC/ATT+15 (full time this)

Bale Sollerets +2: STR+9 INT+9 (full time this)

Goading belt: Haste+6% Store TP+5

Apocalypse: ACC+35 Aftermath: Haste+10%

Including DEX from the twilight mail and scythe skill from the Burgeonet this is 26% haste and 103 Accuracy, as well as +43 STR and +57 attack (including ATT from STR) I don't know of any other set that would give you stats that good during TP phase.

[MarkovChain]

Apocalypse is just a common weapon. 10% haste has always been "not game breaking" as anyone could cap haste or get close enough without it. What made apocalypse win parses vs, say, a destroyer BB monk at 75, was it's high dps and good ws - not the haste, even indirectly. If you are pushing buffs in alliance type events like einherjar, everyone caps pdif and accuracy so meh at other stats. If SE want to buff apocalypse they need to give it an unusual stat like ODD or crit rate/damage or something that cannot be capped normally.

[Kimble]

So wait, getting basically 10% free gear haste for WS and allowing you to use more str/attack/da gear during tp phase does nothing to increase your over all damage?

[wish12oz]

So I got Torcleaver today. Inside abyssea on Bluffalo I averaged 1400 on PLD using mithkabobs and stalwarts 95% of the time. I figured it should be much higher than this given it's suppose to have some super attack modifier right? Leveling up to 90, it was much much lower damage too. Could barely hit 1k at lvl 86. (the 1400 is what it averaged after hitting 90)

So I went to check those lame birds, and switched to DRK. Seaboard vulture's switch from no defense on check to low defense on check when you switch from 443 to 444 attack, so as I said, they're really weak. Those numbers you posted were not anything special, and were consistent with what they should be. My first WS on them did 3600 (triple attack lol) And after that they did the same as yours, with slightly less stats than you had, and slightly more attack. You're going to need to provide solid evidence to support your theory of some kind of attack bonus to Torcleaver or I'm calling BS on it.


ALSO:
Twilight mail is junk, p body with triple attack or e body with double attack would be better.

[MarkovChain]

So you lost on the "all relic but one can be better than empy" and try to move the debate onto the dumb pdif boost theory ?

@ Kimble : yes being able to exchange y stats for x stats is barely an advantage in alliance type events. Everyone caps attack/accuracy/fstr so meh. Only the dps, the haste and the quality of the ws matter at this point, pretty much like in abyssea except this time you can cap str and attack solo.

[Chriscoffey]

I think Taint is referring to a Store TP set which in turn gives some better X hit builds if he had finished his sentence.

[Kimble]

So you lost on the "all relic but one can be better than empy" and try to move the debate onto the dumb pdif boost theory ?

@ Kimble : yes being able to exchange y stats for x stats is barely an advantage in alliance type events. Everyone caps attack/accuracy/fstr so meh. Only the dps, the haste and the quality of the ws matter at this point, pretty much like in abyssea except this time you can cap str and attack solo.

You just proved to me you have done nothing outside of abyssea so anything you have to say is moot.

[MarkovChain]

I've done everything outside of abyssea except voidwatch, I know better than you. In alliance fights mobs have dia3 and none are strong enough to have uncapped accuracy.