DRK Adjustments via Manifesto

[Leonlionheart]

I'm not saying WAR nor DRK should be tanks.

DRK has more defensive capabilities. By a good amount. Anyone can get off Dread Spikes if you use stun or weaponbash before it, (assuming seigan/hasso are off) unless the mob is stun resistant.

WAR tanks better than DRK, simply because of Retaliation, meaning the mob dies faster. Not because it has defensive capabilities

My point is, DRK is more defensive than WAR if all your counting is defensive skills.

(Offense is the best defense though, so retaliation makes WAR prime in abyssea, where defensive capabilities really don't mean squat.)

[Mordanthos]

This proves that Sometimes, the players know the game better than the developers themselves.
How sad is it that the players know more and better at their job than the ones who made it!?

We know what we expect from DRK and we want a lot of what DRk lacks...
But sadly SE doesn't and they giving us useless crap that we don't care for at all...

!!!!!!!!

This is laughable. If players knew more about the job, then they wouldnt be using stupid GS Torcleaver. Drk is built for Scythe period. No ifs, ands, or buts. How much sense does it make to use a WS that is modified by vitality when nothing you get has any vitality. The scythe on the other hand is modified by 2 stats that are on your emp armor. Don't get me wrong, you can Torcleaver just fine, but requires the gathering of vitality gear to fill up your bag slots. At the same time, ive seen plenty of Quietus for the same amount of dmg as Torcleaver.

Bottom line is, Scythe is for DRK, stop using a stupid GS

[Leonlionheart]

This is laughable. If players knew more about the job, then they wouldnt be using stupid GS Torcleaver. Drk is built for Scythe period. No ifs, ands, or buts. How much sense does it make to use a WS that is modified by vitality when nothing you get has any vitality. The scythe on the other hand is modified by 2 stats that are on your emp armor. Don't get me wrong, you can Torcleaver just fine, but requires the gathering of vitality gear to fill up your bag slots. At the same time, ive seen plenty of Quietus for the same amount of dmg as Torcleaver.

Bottom line is, Scythe is for DRK, stop using a stupid GS

First off, lol.

Secondly, you can get Caladbolg in like 4 hours, where as Redemption is the hardest Emp to make.

Next up, Torcleaver is probably the best non-crit ws.

[Mordanthos]

First off, lol.

Secondly, you can get Caladbolg in like 4 hours, where as Redemption is the hardest Emp to make.

Next up, Torcleaver is probably the best non-crit ws.

WTF is so hard about Redemption. Chloris can be ROFL stomped with a Retaliation Ukko spam in less than 30 seconds, and Ulhuadshi is a push over. I understand Carabosse and CC are pretty freeeeeking easy. But with a Retaliate Ukko, Chloris falls like, 20 times faster than Carabosse. I;m not worried about how long it takes to build a pop set, because like all of you seem to fail to understand, Time does not = difficult

[Leonlionheart]

WTF is so hard about Redemption. Chloris can be ROFL stomped with a Retaliation Ukko spam in less than 30 seconds, and Ulhuadshi is a push over. I understand Carabosse and CC are pretty freeeeeking easy. But with a Retaliate Ukko, Chloris falls like, 20 times faster than Carabosse. I;m not worried about how long it takes to build a pop set, because like all of you seem to fail to understand, Time does not = difficult

If time =/= difficult, then FFXI is the easiest game I've ever played. It's just a huge time sink, nothing is really hard.

Every single NM in Visions and Scar zones are easy as pie with Ukko's Fury. I've duo'd every single one of them, besides some of the niche ones, like Glavoid and Turul.

Chloris just takes FOREVER to farm.

[Mordanthos]

If time =/= difficult, then FFXI is the easiest game I've ever played. It's just a huge time sink, nothing is really hard.

Every single NM in Visions and Scar zones are easy as pie with Ukko's Fury. I've duo'd every single one of them, besides some of the niche ones, like Glavoid and Turul.

Chloris just takes FOREVER to farm.

Chloris takes exactly as long as everything else to farm, build amber, build pearl, build azure, commence cleave. If your building pop sets running around the zone thats great. But who builds one pop set. You're just doing it wrong. get 4-5 friends, and cleave capped amber, you'll build 5 sets rather quickly.

[Leonlionheart]

Chloris takes exactly as long as everything else to farm, build amber, build pearl, build azure, commence cleave. If your building pop sets running around the zone thats great. But who builds one pop set. You're just doing it wrong. get 4-5 friends, and cleave capped amber, you'll build 5 sets rather quickly.

Have you ever even farmed Carabosse? It litterally takes 3 minutes to build a popset.

[Mordanthos]

Have you ever even farmed Carabosse? It litterally takes 3 minutes to build a popset.

/sigh. No i have never built a single pop set in my life. I only have an Ukon, and steal carabosses. I completely understand your logic. But no one goes in and just burns stones to build pop sets, to leave, to re enter, to refresh time to 120. It just doesnt work effectively that way. All good statics are going to farm up 400+ minutes, and at the same time while doing that, you get the KI from chest, and then you burn the 400+ minutes down unloading KI and gathering more.

[Mordanthos]

Different Strokes for different folks man. Let this post go back to its topic. I still believe DRK is meant for Scythe, and when i see one with GS and Torcleaver, it just makes me puke. To be honest. A PLD would wreck some serious face with that thing with more Vit gear options.

[Leonlionheart]

I don't understand why a job is built for a weapon...

I mean the only difference is the skill and available WS... PLD gets the same VIT gear (thats usable with the WS lol koenig doesn't count) that DRK does...