Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Insaniac]

I think there was post by them in the COR forums? I was hoping maybe they would take notice because this thread has been in "Hot topics" for a few days now.

[StingRay104]

along with every other job that got screwed over by their Job manifesto lo. I hope SE finally listens to all of us.

[Karbuncle]

For the sake of more reasons to bitch. I went through all jobs forums and have found out that...

1) They've only commented on 4 threads across every single Thread in all Job forums
2) 2 of them were to say "no" (Wyvern "Color" Thread, and BST "Zoning" Thread)
3) One of them had nothing to do with the jobs (a Guarding/Parry Skill up comment in MNK Forums)

Now, I know they read Job forums because of the above, But either they cannot comment on job forums very freely, Or the DEV team is really slow at getting back to them in regards to job-specific Adjustments.

Whatever the case, it seems clear the Devs (not Community reps) don't seem to care about our opinions on the jobs. Especially with how some of these "Visions" Look. THF i think its the single most disappointing one because they continue to ignore just how mediocre and terrible THF Damage is in every single meaningful way (Outside of Abyssea Content).

Safe to say we probably shouldn't expect any responses, But for the benefit of the doubt, I doubt this is the Reps fault, and probably falls more to the Dev team either giving them slow responses or stone-walling them on meaningful information specific to jobs.

Still, What are the point of job forums when it seems obvious the devs dont listen to it? I can look in the THF forum itself and a good chunk of "THF Suggestion" related ideas are asking for a buff to our damage. (with the occasional buff Steal(lol?) threads, I guess some people just like us being useless gimmicks >______>?)

Edit: Plus, i Cannot say they completely ignore Job Forums, Sometimes they just don't respond about it. For instance, I've asked for a way to make it easier to skill up Automaton countless times, and we finally got a skill up Attachment. They do listen, Even if they don't always respond to us or tell us they do.

So in a way, I give them the benefit of the doubt, I know they're here and i know they listen, Its just a matter of the Devs either going "yah THF needs more damage" or "Fuck that pile on the Enmity control abilities that are ultimately useless, maybe we'll buf steal next too. Everyone knows how useful steal is on endgame conten...OHWAIT ITS NOT"

[Cowardlybabooon]

I didn't read all posts, but I read quite a few and came up with two comments. First, a lot of people phrase their comments as if these other jobs are unavailable to them. If you want war's dmg, play war. Second, If you want survivability, you're going to have to sacrifice dmg. Sorry, thf will never kill as fast as war, but war dies a LOT. If they gave thf both, it would rule the world. Now in everyone's defense, I do think the suggested improvements are pretty boring. Something along the lines of a 3 hit force perfect dodge sounds a lot cooler to me.

[Phen]

Well even a "we mentioned to this team no feedback at this time" would be helpful. The thing is as a lot of the general issues are the same in the thf forum: we dont parse well, our unique abilities are functionally useless (steal/lockpick/hide on most things). And what use to be class defining, evasion, Triple atk, and Even Treasure hunter is not unique anymore. When so the community is identifying the key issues consistently why not address it, hell make a quick sticky of issues per job the dev team is aware of and lock it.

a side note: Their vision of hate control thf doesn't work if we cant put out damage. Really hope its damage and not hate on the proposed vision change to sa/ta.

[Phen]

The thing is i would easily sas war is more survivable than thf has in damage- if that makes sense. That being that with /sam /nin defender/base stats etc etc war is able to easily play full force or tank. Secondly if these are both "melee dd" then the gap shouldn't be quite so large.

[Karbuncle]

I think their problem is, they don't think THF should be a good DD, I concur it should not be Better than a WAR, or DRK, or SAM, because their strong points are all in their Melee capabilities.

But their other problem is, they're massively under-minning THFs DD potential to the points its completely worthless to bring. I don't think SE realizes we're smart enough to kill NMs without needing a THF running around making sure someone doesn't die because they have hate.

They seem to assume we're so stupid we need a third party to control our enmity to keep a fight going. Hell even the current hardest content (Voidwatch) no one needs or even bothers bringing a THF too, Because 1) TH Doesn't do anything you cant already do with lights in Voidwatch, and 2) They're useless in DD department and Enmity control is pointless in alliuance seetings.

They clearly either hate the job or don't understand how the playerbase plays the jobs, and how a job designed to control Enmity and do mediocre-terrible damage will never be needed or brought. The only thing we're useful for again is TH, and thats even completely useless in our Current endgame, Voidwatch (all it does is help caps lights easier, it doesnt break the cap or anything, So its more or less a crutch for those who cant already cap lights easilY)

[Zyla420]

I didn't read all posts, but I read quite a few and came up with two comments. First, a lot of people phrase their comments as if these other jobs are unavailable to them. If you want war's dmg, play war. Second, If you want survivability, you're going to have to sacrifice dmg. Sorry, thf will never kill as fast as war, but war dies a LOT. If they gave thf both, it would rule the world. Now in everyone's defense, I do think the suggested improvements are pretty boring. Something along the lines of a 3 hit force perfect dodge sounds a lot cooler to me.

i love how it's always the lvl 90 war's that use this excuse. we don't want to play war... if we did, we'd play war. it's not about boosting thf's dd capability to ungodly proportions that they put war/sam/drk to shame. it's about making us not useless outside of abyssea. it doesn't matter which melee job you're using, nobody wants to hit endgame mobs for 0-10 dmg on melee hits. nobody.

stop bringing this "go play war" argument to the table, as it's not a valid argument to the subject at hand.

[Insaniac]

I didn't read all posts, but I read quite a few and came up with two comments. First, a lot of people phrase their comments as if these other jobs are unavailable to them. If you want war's dmg, play war. Second, If you want survivability, you're going to have to sacrifice dmg. Sorry, thf will never kill as fast as war, but war dies a LOT. If they gave thf both, it would rule the world. Now in everyone's defense, I do think the suggested improvements are pretty boring. Something along the lines of a 3 hit force perfect dodge sounds a lot cooler to me.

THF dies just as quickly as WAR does on the current "hard stuff". In abyssea no one with a WHM should ever die. NIN does better damage than THF and has far better survivability and the same goes for DNC.

I also don't see where anyone asked to be as good of a DD as WAR or any 2-hander but THF is falling further and further behind even in the 1h game. We are voicing our frustration with the lack of attention to that aspect of the job. Their vision for the job stinks and is the exact opposite of what the entire english speaking community of THFs on these forums is asking for.

[Phen]

I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a update. Everybody's out of work or scared of getting nerfed. 1000 gil buys a 100s worth; LS are going bust; everyones at their moogle on job change;monks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the job is unfit to dd and our food is unfit to give enough bonus stat. And we sit watching our PCs while some job manifesto tells us that today we get two enmity control ja and three useless steal buff, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!

We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go play thf any more. We sit in the house, and slowly our job functionality is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our treasure hunter. Let me have my triple attack and my drop rate and little white hood, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone."

Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.

I want you to get mad!

I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to camate, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the drk and the enemity cap and the relics and the gilsellers.

All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.

You've gotta say, "I'm a thf, for Altana's sake! My job has value!"

So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs(actually get back in them). I want you to grab your mouse right now and go to forum tab, open it, and stick your little blinky cursor thing and yell,

"I'm as mad as dynamis,

and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"