A Summoners Bag of tricks

[Neonii]

By that logic yours will need a needs Hvergelmir, but then not everyone needs the obvious pointed out. Although Nash gages, Caller's doublet & pigaches +2 with a Fay crozier will is another way to go rather than +1s(which most have/are getting anyway) and TotM staves.

Dude the MP efficence argument is dead in the water, No style of SMN is hurting for MP. All you're really saying here is "I have more "more MP than I could ever use" than you", EVERYONE with any way decent gear has more MP than they can spend as it is.

Back to topic.

A great trick for completing trials etc. is the solo mini astral burn. With DG and a regen atma + a MAB atma it's easy to pull and hold 10+ mobs and burn them down, usually takes less than 5 minutes from start to finish and is great for tearing a sizable chunk out of a trial if you find grinding on them too boring or are trying to squeeze some kills in before an event

What are you using for damage Ramuh? walk me through this its interesting.

[Razushu]

What are you using for damage Ramuh? walk me through this its interesting.

The mini AF burn? I was using Atma's of the Ducal Guard, the plaguebringer(seadaughter when it's day time) and Beyond. Throw up any defensive buffs the avatar has and start pulling. Dawn mulsums make this much easier to pull large numbers.

[Dallas]

Solo, mini-AF burn fill-in-the-blanks:

Steps:
1) Pull 10+ mobs with DG, regen pet, with a defensive buff if possible. Obviously since he is using Beyond instead of Ultimate, the pet is Shiva, the defensive pact is Ice Spikes. The trials are for Shiva perp staff.

2) Astral Flow 4x, presumably using 3 powerful ethers, because the only way that avatar is going to survive is Sleepga after MP has been brought to 0. Each Diamond Dust will use at least 236MP (180 for AF, 56 for Sleepga)

3) Pray that someone capped azure lights for you, because that single chance at pearl light isn't netting any ISL. The trick ends when an ISL does not drop.

Analysis:
i) 100 damage is reduced to 12.5 damage by DG. Most abyssea mobs hit for 200+. Let's say 25 damage per hit.
ii) 25 x 10 = 250 damage per attack round. The avatar, with 1500 hp, will die in 7 attack rounds UNLESS you spam Dawn Mulsim or Sleepga. Regen is worthless because the avatar isn't evading anything.
iii) Since BP: rage > ether > BP: ward takes 5+ seconds after the Rage, one attack round will always elapse.
iv) DG Atma also has negative movement speed. Pulling 10+ mobs will be VERY slow unless another job is present. This is a frequent requirement of many "solo" strategies, but it was not stated yet.
iv) it is safe to assume multiple Dawn Mulsim are mandatory to survive this.
v) A solid Shiva build can kill one trash mob every 45 seconds. In 5 minutes, that DD SMN can kill 6 trash mobs without Dawn Mulsim or ethers.
vi) The net gain of an item intensive, high risk trick is 4+ extra kills. MP will be 0 afterwards, so without an ISL, that margin is immediately lost. A competent DD never runs out of MP in 5 minutes. Nowadays, the incompetent ones don't either.
vii) Specifically, since this is a Shiva magian staff trick, this will kinda work for trials 842 (50 anything), 843 (50 leeches), 1713 (200 leeches), and 2197 (250 bats). There's no way this is happening with weather, Arcana, Raptors, or Sheep. Only the first two are timed, but any SMN should be able to kill 50 whatever in 50 minutes, especially with Shiva.
viii) different atma for different times of the day? OK, forget it. This is going to take days to carry out.

Conclusion: Buyer beware. There is some misrepresentation going on.

Raz, this post is for everyone else, not you. Obviously, I have my weapon.

[Razushu]

Solo, mini-AF burn fill-in-the-blanks:

Steps:
1) Pull 10+ mobs with DG, regen pet, with a defensive buff if possible. Obviously since he is using Beyond instead of Ultimate, the pet is Shiva, the defensive pact is Ice Spikes. The trials are for Shiva perp staff.

2) Astral Flow 4x, presumably using 3 powerful ethers, because the only way that avatar is going to survive is Sleepga after MP has been brought to 0. Each Diamond Dust will use at least 236MP (180 for AF, 56 for Sleepga)

3) Pray that someone capped azure lights for you, because that single chance at pearl light isn't netting any ISL. The trick ends when an ISL does not drop.

Analysis:
i) 100 damage is reduced to 12.5 damage by DG. Most abyssea mobs hit for 200+. Let's say 25 damage per hit.
ii) 25 x 10 = 250 damage per attack round. The avatar, with 1500 hp, will die in 7 attack rounds UNLESS you spam Dawn Mulsim or Sleepga. Regen is worthless because the avatar isn't evading anything.
iii) Since BP: rage > ether > BP: ward takes 5+ seconds after the Rage, one attack round will always elapse.
iv) DG Atma also has negative movement speed. Pulling 10+ mobs will be VERY slow unless another job is present. This is a frequent requirement of many "solo" strategies, but it was not stated yet.
iv) it is safe to assume multiple Dawn Mulsim are mandatory to survive this.
v) A solid Shiva build can kill one trash mob every 45 seconds. In 5 minutes, that DD SMN can kill 6 trash mobs without Dawn Mulsim or ethers.
vi) The net gain of an item intensive, high risk trick is 4+ extra kills. MP will be 0 afterwards, so without an ISL, that margin is immediately lost. A competent DD never runs out of MP in 5 minutes. Nowadays, the incompetent ones don't either.
vii) Specifically, since this is a Shiva magian staff trick, this will kinda work for trials 842 (50 anything), 843 (50 leeches), 1713 (200 leeches), and 2197 (250 bats). There's no way this is happening with weather, Arcana, Raptors, or Sheep. Only the first two are timed, but any SMN should be able to kill 50 whatever in 50 minutes, especially with Shiva.
viii) different atma for different times of the day? OK, forget it. This is going to take days to carry out.

Conclusion: Buyer beware. There is some misrepresentation going on.

Raz, this post is for everyone else, not you. Obviously, I have my weapon.

It's highly ironic that you of all people would claim someone is mispresentation anything.

I posted this because I've done it several times before, it's easy if you can play SMN. There is no misrepresentation going on if your skilled you can do it without items, as this is done in Abyssea ethers are a non issue and MP is too. Dallas This takes 5 minutes to do for 10+ mobs seadaughter is fine. Thanks for fillling in blanks that probably no one really needed to be filled(including a few that didn't exist) I was in a hurry last night.

[Neonii]

It's highly ironic that you of all people would claim someone is mispresentation anything.

I posted this because I've done it several times before, it's easy if you can play SMN. There is no misrepresentation going on if your skilled you can do it without items, as this is done in Abyssea ethers are a non issue and MP is too. Dallas This takes 5 minutes to do for 10+ mobs seadaughter is fine. Thanks for fillling in blanks that probably no one really needed to be filled(including a few that didn't exist) I was in a hurry last night.

Actually I needed the details was never one to astral burn and was trying to work it out in how to complete it solo with that many mobs actually beating on summon. Thank you I am actually going to try this but I will start with a few and get the hang of it before trying it on ten. Thank you for the tip.

Edit: I will admit the astral flow party I was in I killed myself cause didn't really understand not to assult. After that I kinda got the hang of it but it was a long time ago. I never did another astral flow party because it set my smn skill back so far I didn't catch up until I started staff trials. Prior to that one party I always had capped skill =).

[Dallas]

Actually I needed the details

You asked for details. Raz is horrendous on details.

5 minutes is obviously wrong, since he is pulling with a reduced movement speed avatar then using a 3 minute ability. He's clearly starting the clock after he collects his mobs.

[Razushu]

You asked for details. Raz is horrendous on details.

5 minutes is obviously wrong, since he is pulling with a reduced movement speed avatar then using a 3 minute ability. He's clearly starting the clock after he collects his mobs.

3 minute ability? Dallas most things die in 2 AF pacts that 45 secs, also you're really over estimating how bad the - movement speed hurts.

Funnily enough Dallas those are the only details you've ever really posted here and they were way off even.

[Razushu]

Actually I needed the details was never one to astral burn and was trying to work it out in how to complete it solo with that many mobs actually beating on summon. Thank you I am actually going to try this but I will start with a few and get the hang of it before trying it on ten. Thank you for the tip.

Edit: I will admit the astral flow party I was in I killed myself cause didn't really understand not to assult. After that I kinda got the hang of it but it was a long time ago. I never did another astral flow party because it set my smn skill back so far I didn't catch up until I started staff trials. Prior to that one party I always had capped skill =).

Sorry I didn't mean to assume, yeah start with a few it's good for practise.

[Dallas]

3 minute ability? Dallas most things die in 2 AF pacts that 45 secs, also you're really over estimating how bad the - movement speed hurts.

Funnily enough Dallas those are the only details you've ever really posted here and they were way off even.

-movement speed: superior

Everyone has seen it. I'm calling "2-box solo" now, since you are done defending your claim.

[Razushu]

-movement speed: superior

Everyone has seen it. I'm calling "2-box solo" now, since you are done defending your claim.

Try proper Solo, seriously have you ever even used DG the - movement speed is not that noticeable until you move long distances. Also a slower avatar helps the pull as you're less likely to lose a linked mob. Is 2boxing how you manage to melee? Do you have a WHM bot spam cures on you when you take hits?