whats the best subjob for DD at 90?

[Ryozen]

BLU has always excelled at killing stuff that doesn't matter.

BLU struggles to keep up when DDing anything that requires anything more than basic attack values.

The Azure Lore change is pretty awesome, but when those same spells are doing 500 damage, it's not really going to matter.

[kenshyn]

If I only did 500 damage with my spells I go and hide in shame funny if that's the perception give me a mob that matters? I guess Rani, Raja, Sobek, pankratokor and orthrus don't since we can hit them between 3.7k - 6k with ease. What mob matters? That we can't hit hard I really like to know it's been a long long long time since I only did 500 damage on a mob actually I can't recall Hell maybe when I first hit 75 right after the job came out >.>. I used cannonball to rape stuff back in the day lol that was when 1k damage was amazing.

Note I am only mentioning mobs I have screen shots of the actual damage which I post and not talking out my butt. If my spells don't hit for at least a 1k I won't cast them unless they debuff or stun the mob lol. Now a spell like divisserment can be all over the place but its poison is just nice added dot that most nothing calculates in a parse.

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sniff sniff smells like pure troll I must not feed I must not feed....

I have 14 90 jobs Blu by far played and geared correctly is far from a weak sister or I never touch it, I would easily focus full on war, drg, sam, blm, yada, yada, and yada. If a blu can only pull max 500 damage on a spell on anything that matters that others are hitting for way way more damage that's just a bad blu lol....

[kenshyn]

Some old school Before all the new fancy toys we have to day:

Please NOTE this from when 1k damage use to mean something and was like whoa lol not today its above 9000 with ease.

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Memory lane....


The gear we have today is just insane in comparison to what we had at 75 so again what mobs???

Blu On brew:

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Yep we always been weak >.> if you didn't know how to play the job.

[Zagen]

IDK seen some post of 27k in 35 sec using the changes to our 2 hour and <wait> being able to stuck at the end of the line. Setting up the double darkness though the 30 sec of the 2 hour then closing the deal with CA+effux to quad, continum. Its in the blu fumors on Alla if you want to check it out. One said he took out that on bird NM in la thiane in that time. Don't know what sub though.

Those are some nice number but that 27k happens every 2 hours, 2 hours is a long time for a DD to catch up and blow a BLU out of the water over the coarse of a longer fight or several fights. This is great for zerging but what happens when your group decides to zerg several pops of an NM, for example last night my friends and I popped 9 sobeks back to back. While MNKs, WARs, lots of Emp toting other DDs keep on chugging away on their crazy damage without the need of 2hours BLU falls behind.

I just got CdC last night, played around with it and seeing 4k WS go off from BLU which hadn't even bothered change my spellset from Whisker setup was very nice and impressive as until now only spells have spiked that high before. However my Widowmaker WAR has been doing Raging Rushes that have reached up to 6.1k for a while now.

When someone says BLU/THF not only beats BLU/NIN for DDing but can beat "heavy DD" jobs I don't buy it. I'd love to be proven wrong though, I'll gladly send apologies and praises followed by a lot of questions so that I may get close to that caliber of damage on BLU myself.

[Ravenmore]

Those are some nice number but that 27k happens every 2 hours, 2 hours is a long time for a DD to catch up and blow a BLU out of the water over the coarse of a longer fight or several fights. This is great for zerging but what happens when your group decides to zerg several pops of an NM, for example last night my friends and I popped 9 sobeks back to back. While MNKs, WARs, lots of Emp toting other DDs keep on chugging away on their crazy damage without the need of 2hours BLU falls behind.

I just got CdC last night, played around with it and seeing 4k WS go off from BLU which hadn't even bothered change my spellset from Whisker setup was very nice and impressive as until now only spells have spiked that high before. However my Widowmaker WAR has been doing Raging Rushes that have reached up to 6.1k for a while now.

When someone says BLU/THF not only beats BLU/NIN for DDing but can beat "heavy DD" jobs I don't buy it. I'd love to be proven wrong though, I'll gladly send apologies and praises followed by a lot of questions so that I may get close to that caliber of damage on BLU myself.

In abyssea you have to get lucky with ISL chest but or other means, but it really nice to final have a 2 hour that does something.

[Zagen]

In abyssea you have to get lucky with ISL chest but or other means, but it really nice to final have a 2 hour that does something.

I don't like dealing in "luck" solutions to make BLU a top DD XD though I couldn't agree more Azure Lore finally having a good noticeable use is great

[kenshyn]

AL was far from useless in the past now its beyond great imho AL was how old school Got BNS /thf of course: http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic...endgame-guide/

Funny if you see in the screen shots I posted those aren't just pretty spikes they are pretty normal from what I been doing if I don't hit em for 5-6K I am pissed and that's without tp. So its CDC 2k-3k average BT 5-6k+ average darkness for 6k no 2 hour needed self skill chain. Yeah that's just not good with wars avg ws 6k happening what every 10 seconds? or does it take time to build tp? I wish my 4 - 5 hit build war pulled that off it feels like 10 seconds between swings lol plus the time to hit all my JA's war does have more than a few it takes me two macros to WS >.>. I am one of those wars from circa 2003 been a card carrying ridill user for many years....

If I don't do at least 5K+ average something is extremely wrong now hitting for 8k+ spikes is very nice. I will keep posting we been on a break since I got my almace peeps kind of burned out. For me its easy /thf is just fun to play hey 8K+ hate free damage yes please opps maybe you shouldn't stand behind the mob sucker.

[Zagen]

AL was far from useless in the past now its beyond great imho AL was how old school Got BNS /thf of course: http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic...endgame-guide/

Funny if you see in the screen shots I posted those aren't just pretty spikes they are pretty normal from what I been doing if I don't hit em for 5-6K I am pissed and that's without tp. So its CDC 2k-3k average BT 5-6k+ average darkness for 6k no 2 hour needed self skill chain. Yeah that's just not good with wars avg ws 6k happening what every 10 seconds? or does it take time to build tp? I wish my 4 - 5 hit build war pulled that off it feels like 10 seconds between swings lol plus the time to hit all my JA's war does have more than a few it takes me two macros to WS >.>. I am one of those wars from circa 2003 been a card carrying ridill user for many years....

If I don't do at least 5K+ average something is extremely wrong now hitting for 8k+ spikes is very nice. I will keep posting we been on a break since I got my almace peeps kind of burned out. For me its easy /thf is just fun to play hey 8K+ hate free damage yes please opps maybe you shouldn't stand behind the mob sucker.

When you use Sneak Attack, or even Chain Affinity the damage a spell does is considered "spike" because without those it won't do that much damage normally.

Edit: Are you trying to say as a BLU you're doing 36k (6k * 6 since you said every 10 seconds) every minute nonstop? How? On what?

With 0 Haste Widowmaker takes 8.6 seconds to swing. "with 0 haste" should never ever apply.

Realistically you'd have 24% Haste in gear and Haste spell for 39% haste giving you a 5.16 second swing, far from "feels like 10 seconds"

Add in /SAM Hasso and BRD's Marches (standard for zergs imo) and you're rocking 70% haste giving you a 2.49 second delay. Cap your Equip haste and that drops down to 2.4 seconds so not visually noticeable but still slightly faster.

[kenshyn]

/facepalm lol No where do I state a blu doing that every 10 seconds on the 10 second swings man basically if you move from any duel wield class like thf, nin, dnc, and even blu all capped haste and under bards grabbing a big nasty 2 hnder is slow as hell unless your under a bards 2 hr with capped gear haste and haste on ya. I swear I feel like today many of my classes have hundred fists with multi attacks.

Basically its about Weapon skill frequency of a war can pull off vs spell spam SA+CA+Efflux and WS frequency of a blu/thf if you think your destroying a good blu in damage well that's not really a good blu lol. You see my damage that I am getting from actual screen shots taken I will get some glavoids hopefully tonight against wars and a rudra storming thf but I see it won't really matter anyhow.

I am a 90 war pretty damn well geared (twilight/bullwhip belt/goading/askar body/af3+2 gear) capped haste if I want or 4 hit build lol amazing ws gear and know someone who parses damage a lot not me since it is it against the tos >.>. A good blu can bring pain pretty easy....

[Zagen]

/facepalm lol No where do I state a blu doing that every 10 seconds on the 10 second swings man basically if you move from any duel wield class like thf, nin, dnc, and even blu all capped haste and under bards grabbing a big nasty 2 hnder is slow as hell unless your under a bards 2 hr with capped gear haste and haste on ya. I swear I feel like today many of my classes have hundred fists with multi attacks.

Basically its about Weapon skill frequency of a war can pull off vs spell spam SA+CA+Efflux and WS frequency of a blu/thf if you think your destroying a good blu in damage well that's not really a good blu lol. You see my damage that I am getting from actual screen shots taken I will get some glavoids hopefully tonight against wars and a rudra storming thf but I see it won't really matter anyhow.

I am a 90 war pretty damn well geared (twilight/bullwhip belt/goading/askar body/af3+2 gear) capped haste if I want or 4 hit build lol amazing ws gear and know someone who parses damage a lot not me since it is it against the tos >.>. A good blu can bring pain pretty easy....

Firstly, I'm sorry I miss read part of what you said when it came to the 6k every 10 seconds.

The numbers I gave you are BRD March songs without Soul Voice that means every 2.5 seconds a WAR takes a swing assuming 0 of them DA every 12.5 to 15 seconds a WAR throws out a 3k+ Raging Rush on top of the damage those hits giving them TP are getting. In the time it takes for Sneak Attack to be ready again a WAR could do over 12k in WS damage alone tack on another 4-6k from melee hits. So your CdC 3k > B.Typhoon 6k > Darkness 6k (15k) just got smoked by the WAR's 16-18k damage in that minute. That's without even factoring in the 25-30% Double Attack and 15-18% Triple Attack they should be rocking or the damage bonus from the Double Attacks due to Widowmaker's bonus.

Stop taking Screen shots and start posting parses single time damage pissing contests are so 2005. You want to say you can do damage on par with a heavy DD with more than just 1 spell or 1 SC every time you have TP/JAs ready then prove it parse against a WAR, MNK, DRG, NIN of equal skill and under equal buffs. Your screen shots are meaningless because they are just 1 time damage event not how much damage you're doing over the course of a given event.