[dev1017] Zanshin Attacks and chat log

[Ryozen]

In other news, initial testing from other sources seems to point Hassanshin activation at 25% of normal Zanshin rate (trait + gear bonuses). If this turns out to be true, it's going to prove somewhat difficult to parse down to precise values from gear.

None of the previously tested values divide evenly by four, and we don't know how the rounding is handled. Worst case scenario, each piece's value is divided by four, floored, and and then added to the total. This seems like the most likely scenario. It would be nice if they summed everything first, but that doesn't seem like typical Squeenix style.

Hopefully tonight after events I'll be able to perform some more long-run tests.

[Frost]

In other news, initial testing from other sources seems to point Hassanshin activation at 25% of normal Zanshin rate (trait + gear bonuses). If this turns out to be true, it's going to prove somewhat difficult to parse down to precise values from gear.

None of the previously tested values divide evenly by four, and we don't know how the rounding is handled. Worst case scenario, each piece's value is divided by four, floored, and and then added to the total. This seems like the most likely scenario. It would be nice if they summed everything first, but that doesn't seem like typical Squeenix style.

Hopefully tonight after events I'll be able to perform some more long-run tests.

Most of what I've been reading says there seems to be a direct correlation between gear adding "Double Attack".

So are you saying gear might be more zanshin than it appears? Or that those people are exaggerating?

Mainly posting to bump... Cause you said you'd shed more light on this. If anyone else has input, please add.

(and if anyone knows the zanshin added by the Empyrean Earring, that's be good to know too.)

[Dirtyfinger]

I would assume the Unkai earring is 1% like the others.

[Ryozen]

Earlier in the thread we (mostly Hiko, while I did some confirmation testing) did testing on some of the Zanshin gear rates. Unkai body +2 is ~10% Zanshin, back is ~5%. From very early testing these don't seem to translate directly to Hassanshin rate, but rather provide a reduced bonus. Exactly how much it has been reduced isn't clear, but it seems that it may be around 25% of the original Zanshin rate.

Again, this is very preliminary testing, so none of this is confirmed. Hopefully some more in-depth testing can be performed soon.

[Byrth]

So, I was the one who hand-waved and made the Zanshin Rate*25% figure. It seems approximately correct based on the testing I've read across the forums. Also, I can make a further guess that it'll be Floor(Total Zanshin Rate/4), so 47% Zanshin would probably get you an 11% Hassanshin rate, 48% would be 12%. 100% Zanshin would cap out at 25% Hassanshin. I'd love to see further testing to confirm or disprove this hypothesis, but it seems the most reasonable given the way we know SE handles other things in the game.

As far as playstyle implications, I'm not sure there really are any. Ikishoten may be a good idea now because the other options are lackluster, but it still isn't a reliable part of an x-hit. Still, all of SAM's WSs are heavily modified by TP, so TP overflow doesn't hurt. It might be possible to make some kind of 6-hit that's a little heavy for 6 without sacrificing anything, and becomes a 5-hit when you get a Hassanshin proc.

[Ryozen]

Think it's more likely than Floor(GearA/4) + Floor(GearB/4) + Floor(GearC/4) + Floor(GearD/4) + Floor(Trait/4) ?

Maybe I'm just preparing myself for disappointment, but that seems more in line with Squeenix flooring at what seems to be just about every goddamn possible point.

[Arlan]

Stupid request, but I wonder if it would be possible to make a difference in the chatlog between regular attacks and zanshin attacks? For example

Zhronne's attack hits the Ramponneau for 234 damage.
Zhronne's zanshin attack hits the Ramponneau for 228 damage.

This way the chatlog would let us see the difference between these two different attacks and would make it easier for us to make a better evaluation of the impact Zanshin has on our overall performance.

This isn't a Stupid Request.
I actually think its a cleaver one.

I play on xbox, so i dont use praiser or w/e third party programs PC players use.
I would like SE to add this request the OP is asking for as well because it can be very beneficial for all players from what I see.

Note: not everyone plays on PC.

Nice post.

[Byrth]

Think it's more likely than Floor(GearA/4) + Floor(GearB/4) + Floor(GearC/4) + Floor(GearD/4) + Floor(Trait/4) ?

Maybe I'm just preparing myself for disappointment, but that seems more in line with Squeenix flooring at what seems to be just about every goddamn possible point.

I'd bet it's not individual flooring steps. That would be more work on their end.

Also, it's not possible to separate Zanshins from normal attacks.

[Malacite]

Hey, thanks for quoting my comment. It would have been lost otherwise.

You are the only one who has yet to provide anything useful to this thread (or even this forum section), and yet you slink in here talking trash to people who are contributing first impressions.

Put out or get out.

Do some testing, or go the hell away with your nonsensical 4-hit builds (OMG GUISE I JUS SED POSIBLE LOL) and other ilk.

And your incessant, 12-year old trolling just exudes knowledge and profound, divine wisdom.

Get over yourself, please.

[Ryozen]

Attacking a Fortalice with Wooden Katana and Sword Strap, otherwise naked:
1315 rounds, 1254 of which the first hit connected. Of these, 139 have had a second round.
~11.08%, which would follow floor(Zanshin/4).

Continuing to parse for now.

Byrth, do you think you could provide some info on how many rounds (or Hassanshin procs) it would take for a 95% confidence interval? I'm afraid my statistical knowledge is pretty weak.

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If you don't actually contribute to this thread with your next post, you're going on my black-list on yet another forum.