Dipper Yuly TH

[Gotterdammerung]

Dipper doesn't just have TH. She has ALL the thf Job Abilities...
and i don't even think you know what circumstantial evidence means. Been watching too many cop drama's, might need to wiki that term.
The fact that pets have jobs is easily tested.

Some job traits are not as obvious as others, but even the subtle ones can be inferred. And the blatantly obvious ones are concretely testable.
Gilfinder for instance. Or Crit damage bonus.

AND even if all these things were "circumstantial evidence" it still wouldn't matter. The very nature of circumstantial evidence is that it does not stand alone. But that does not make it worthless. Circumstantial evidence is often compiled in law to form "Corroborating evidence" which can be solidly used to reach an accurate conclusion.

And for your next statement. "Only if the player has their main job set as thf."
You are merely stating the way things work now. Thats hardly a reason to keep them the way they are now.
And also the way things are now does not concretely imply SE's intent. Its possible SE never considered this issue because dipper is a monster and monsters like a kindred thf dont get climbing TH. It could alredy be set up that way in the code. We know the game mechanics work differently for players than they do for monsters. And until recently pets were treated as monsters not players (this has been a blurred line lately where pets are starting to get the worst of both worlds).

Anyway, This forum exists so players can feed input to the developers. Dipper is a thf and i feel should get the true full strength Treasure hunter of a thf. And as such i have made this thread to point out this discrepancy to the Dev team.
I am really not interested in why YOU think they didn't. (i doubt anyone is interested) It's off topic and pointless. If you don't like the idea, then JUST SAY "i dont like it" AND if u actually have a reason why you don't like it, then SAY THE REASON.
Example: "i think it would take away from thfs feeling special"
Then we can actually have a conversation about the points of contention you bring up. However babbling out circular logic like "Its obvious SE nvr intended for it to work that way because it doesnt work that way" is annoying.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

And as a bst, I believe this is wrong and should not happen.
Also, it doesn't matter how many traits it has. The previous point is still valid.

[Gotterdammerung]

No its not valid.
Your implying that only players have jobs. This is false. Monsters and Npc's have jobs also. And if u wanna say that a kindred "summoner" walking around with an avatar in tow is circumstantial then go ahead. While your at it you can go tell Zeid he isnt a dark knight. Our beastmaster pets are monsters. All monsters have jobs. Ergo, our pets have jobs.



You should just leave it at

as a bst, I believe this is wrong and should not happen.

And move on.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Then you're saying an earth elemental is a blm on the sole fact it can cast quake. Players like to arbitrarily assine roles to things, it makes them believe they have a better handle on things. That they understand how the game works. Jug pets are not monsters either, their items. And the point is still valid as SE has stated that it only works main thf only. You're still completely ignoring the fact that YOU are NOT a thf, no matter how much you want to claim an item as a thf, YOU still are NOT one.

[Gotterdammerung]

So the kindred thief is not really a thief... wow. Just wow. Hold on a second... wow.


Ahaha wait... my bug floating around is really an item?! Awesome! i cant wait to call beast then shove dipper into my Dbox...


If it seems to you that I think I have a "better handle on things" then maybe its because I HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON THINGS.

Like for instance, I know that the word "Main" simply refers to your main job. You see in this game there is this thing called a main job and another thing called a sub job. We call these 2 things by different names so we can tell them apart. A "Main" is what job you are currently on. So like since a kindred thf is a THF, his "main" is THF. And since dipper yuly is a THF, his main is also thf. Now "Sub" thats a secondary job tacked on and limited to half the value of your main job.

And i am NOT ignoring the fact that i am not a THF. But YOU however ARE ignoring the fact that my Dipper IS a main THF.

[Felren]

Trolls will be trolls~

I wouldn't really agree with letting dipper stack TH though. If you didn't know, you can start stacking TH as a lowbie thf, even before TH3. It might even be as early as TH1, but its a main job only thing. This TH stacking thing adds job security, and I really don't think Bst should get it. Granted I don't even think Rng should have gotten bounty shot, but that's a whole different story.

Just the TH2 on dipper alone was a big surprise to put on a jug pet in the first place.

I still think bst could use more group utility than damage, but this should probably stay with thfs..... and rng >.>.

[Xilk]

The treasure hunter level indicators were added into the game interface. They are not at the same part as the job traits.
I'm very confident that if you have a level 90 Yuly, you will start w/ th3 when using it.

I have no idea if TH will level up above 3 when just yuly is hitting. I would not be surprised if it went either way However, its actually not as hard to test now. Not hard at all really. A bst and thf duo can go do it. let Yuly hit something for awhile, then send the thf in w/out and th+ gear on and see what the 1st level of TH the message raises it to.

IF you can get a message that shows it was above level 3 before the THF main hit it, then it should show the possibility.

EDIT: Follow-up:

I posted these thoughts onto a testing thread on ZAM. It didn't take long for it to be followed up on:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...868956&p=3#110

It looks like Yuly has TH3 and it will not build up higher than this like a thf main. More testing might be helpful, about building up higher, but it does confirm th3 on level 90 Yuly.

[Raka]

Um, it was tested? Derp.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talkipper_Yuly

Dipper is loved so much that it has an extremely happy face in the link! <cheer>