Book burning ruined 5-man groups

[Ravenmore]

I am quite annoyed that at level 30 the only real chance to get a party is to go to crawlers nest and join an alliance that is doing page 1. At 2.3K per page You can level every 3 pages and just sit back and relax as people destroy the crawlers and bees.

0-30 in 1 day (half day), 30-40 in 3 hours at crawlers nest, it almost makes me sad when I look and see that It took me years to get to 70 on DRK.

That is why people are sick of 6 man parties. It would different if there was any real content for low levels that had any kind of decent rewards. CoP proved that people didn't bother with doing the content as they leveled. Why should I spend 75% of my time in game looking for a party and all the content is at level cap.

I can count on one hand how many friends I made in exp parties. Old exp parties by the end of 2 or 3 hours of doing nothing but focusing on the fight cause if you chatted to much and mobs started taking to long to die you killing your exp and that of the rest of the party. Its not only your 12.95 its mine, and I don't want to talk when it slows down leveling.If anything now BSing in a party doesn't hurt exp gained so it is easier to meet and get to know people in exp.

[Rafien]

That is why people are sick of 6 man parties. It would different if there was any real content for low levels that had any kind of decent rewards. CoP proved that people didn't bother with doing the content as they leveled. Why should I spend 75% of my time in game looking for a party and all the content is at level cap.

I can count on one hand how many friends I made in exp parties. Old exp parties by the end of 2 or 3 hours of doing nothing but focusing on the fight cause if you chatted to much and mobs started taking to long to die you killing your exp and that of the rest of the party. Its not only your 12.95 its mine, and I don't want to talk when it slows down leveling.If anything now BSing in a party doesn't hurt exp gained so it is easier to meet and get to know people in exp.

Easier to meet people when you spend every second running from mob to mob in crawlers nest, zero time to rest for mp, if you stop and type a sentence you're already too far away from the party to get the kill count. - Side note: The LS I'm in that is probably the most helpful, fun, and rewarding LS I've ever been in was found on a exp party about 3 months ago.

6 years ago, you were booted out of a party if you didn't know how to do Skill chains.. People aren't learning their weapons, they aren't skilling their weapons, they don't even know how to play their characters. Was in a party the other day, and the WHM didn't even have Protectra II because they didn't need it skilling with books.

With my Scythe, I can name every skill chain it goes with to maximize damage done. Can most new players even name one? No because they never even seen them happen. You use to have to macro TP Ready for use, now people look at you like you're and idiot and don't have a clue why you're announcing you're ready to use your weapon skill.


EDIT:
What they need to do, remove the books and take it back to parties. But allow level sync players to gain skills while they fight. So if your buddy that is level 50 decides he'll help and join your party at level 30, the mobs he fights, should increase his overall weapon skill as if he was level 50. This would increase the people who want to level sync and join parties.

If I level sync, I fight for 5 levels and get out of the party so I can then go level my weapons. This becomes harder as DRK soloing is not exactly suppose to happen.

[geekgirl101]

What they need to do, remove the books and take it back to parties. But allow level sync players to gain skills while they fight. So if your buddy that is level 50 decides he'll help and join your party at level 30, the mobs he fights, should increase his overall weapon skill as if he was level 50. This would increase the people who want to level sync and join parties.

If I level sync, I fight for 5 levels and get out of the party so I can then go level my weapons. This becomes harder as DRK soloing is not exactly suppose to happen.

I certainly agree on the need for being able to skill up while synced. Since almost every party I'm in is level synced my skills are always gimped as a result.

As for an idea to deal with the alliancing and leeching situation I'd say put back the level limit on Abyssea maws and change non-Abyssea books so you can only pick up pages that within your level limit range (1-xx) and don't gain progress in an alliance. Personally I wouldn't miss alliance book burning, people might actually learn how to play their jobs and appreciate being a party member and not just someone tagging along taking everything for granted.

[Ravenmore]

Easier to meet people when you spend every second running from mob to mob in crawlers nest, zero time to rest for mp, if you stop and type a sentence you're already too far away from the party to get the kill count. - Side note: The LS I'm in that is probably the most helpful, fun, and rewarding LS I've ever been in was found on a exp party about 3 months ago.

6 years ago, you were booted out of a party if you didn't know how to do Skill chains.. People aren't learning their weapons, they aren't skilling their weapons, they don't even know how to play their characters. Was in a party the other day, and the WHM didn't even have Protectra II because they didn't need it skilling with books.

With my Scythe, I can name every skill chain it goes with to maximize damage done. Can most new players even name one? No because they never even seen them happen. You use to have to macro TP Ready for use, now people look at you like you're and idiot and don't have a clue why you're announcing you're ready to use your weapon skill.


EDIT:
What they need to do, remove the books and take it back to parties. But allow level sync players to gain skills while they fight. So if your buddy that is level 50 decides he'll help and join your party at level 30, the mobs he fights, should increase his overall weapon skill as if he was level 50. This would increase the people who want to level sync and join parties.

If I level sync, I fight for 5 levels and get out of the party so I can then go level my weapons. This becomes harder as DRK soloing is not exactly suppose to happen.

You know why SC+MB was a bad idea, because the players were to dumb to do the math. If it takes you 5 mins to kill one mob for 400 XP and you could kill 3 mobs in that same time for 150 xp Which one is getting more exp.

If you tried that in old 6 man parties you would get kicked. Now if you do it who cares it only hurting you not the rest of the group. Take away the books, people will go back to Qufim TP burning Ts and VTs.

Skilling up takes time but mages can by pass it mostly with /sch and HQ staffs for everything in abyssea. Melees can afk skill up or preskill/premerit Weapons.

[Michae]

Having been a player for over 5 years now I too miss the old group party format. I have participated in a few of the new Grounds of Valor book burn formats as well. But what I have found is that the traditional party still seems to give more exp per hr if you have a group of ppl who know what they are doing. In other words ppl who have not lvled every char in aby or in GoV burns. In a colibri group in WW the other day, with the exp increase, I was getting around 600-800 exp per bird and with 2 pups, 1 drk, 1 whm and 1 sam we were burning thru the birds so fast that the exp piled up faster than it would have going page for page in a book burn. The book burns only seem faster due to the large lumps of exp at once, plus it allows ppl to do a minimum of work.

Its a fad and should die down eventually when ppl realized that the exp isnt that great compared to the traditional pt. The downside to the months its going to be before this sinks in, is that we are going to have a whole massive group of ppl who dont know how to tank with pld or nin, healers who dont know how to watch for things other than hp colors, dd and pullers who know how to keep thier hate to a minimum and so on.

[Ravenmore]

Having been a player for over 5 years now I too miss the old group party format. I have participated in a few of the new Grounds of Valor book burn formats as well. But what I have found is that the traditional party still seems to give more exp per hr if you have a group of ppl who know what they are doing. In other words ppl who have not lvled every char in aby or in GoV burns. In a colibri group in WW the other day, with the exp increase, I was getting around 600-800 exp per bird and with 2 pups, 1 drk, 1 whm and 1 sam we were burning thru the birds so fast that the exp piled up faster than it would have going page for page in a book burn. The book burns only seem faster due to the large lumps of exp at once, plus it allows ppl to do a minimum of work.

Its a fad and should die down eventually when ppl realized that the exp isnt that great compared to the traditional pt. The downside to the months its going to be before this sinks in, is that we are going to have a whole massive group of ppl who dont know how to tank with pld or nin, healers who dont know how to watch for things other than hp colors, dd and pullers who know how to keep thier hate to a minimum and so on.

And killing birds provided any of the skills whms need at endgame. ToAU mobs you need no tank to start with /nin is all thats need or people that know how to work se/te if /sam. Plds didn't get invited to exp if another DD is looking at the same time. Rose tinted glasses again. People have been avoiding mobs with status down effects since toau came out.

I not saying that a 6 man couldn't work but really if you have 3 groups fighting over the one or 2 good camps exp will drop off. Better yet 3 groups looking to get a healer and theres only one, do you all fight over the one healer, shout to try to pay off the healer or team up and go kill EPs were the healer won't have a increased work load and everyone get exp.

All exp will teach you is how to get exp.

[Kwate]

Having been a player for over 5 years now I too miss the old group party format. I have participated in a few of the new Grounds of Valor book burn formats as well. But what I have found is that the traditional party still seems to give more exp per hr if you have a group of ppl who know what they are doing. In other words ppl who have not lvled every char in aby or in GoV burns. In a colibri group in WW the other day, with the exp increase, I was getting around 600-800 exp per bird and with 2 pups, 1 drk, 1 whm and 1 sam we were burning thru the birds so fast that the exp piled up faster than it would have going page for page in a book burn. The book burns only seem faster due to the large lumps of exp at once, plus it allows ppl to do a minimum of work.

Its a fad and should die down eventually when ppl realized that the exp isnt that great compared to the traditional pt. The downside to the months its going to be before this sinks in, is that we are going to have a whole massive group of ppl who dont know how to tank with pld or nin, healers who dont know how to watch for things other than hp colors, dd and pullers who know how to keep thier hate to a minimum and so on.

I disagree with this take. You are only talking the bird camp which is a great exp camp, what about the slower camps from 50-54 or 59-62 outside of level sync (good with a well equip pt possibly). Also lets say you do get more exp per hr, the margin is slim and that doesn't take into account on how long you must wait to get a party, with a high level of job prejudice ie. monk, drk, blu, pup, etc.

The new style is so widely accepted because I know I can get a pt invite pretty darn quick, so while exp an hr doesn't factor in wait time for an invite it's almost an invalid argument (also you dont need an elite setup to burn and you can have 1-3 people afk or leave without affecting exp too much). Book burns aren't going anywhere because it saves times on waiting and lets face it, its pretty fun, fast paced and love the race back and forth to the book to collect exp.