Cultural Lotting Changes, now with no risk of being closed

[Korpg]

Korgp not being funny but you need to learn to read. My point system used a) and b). Not 1 and 2

Really really want to understand how you believe a free lot system is going to have a ninja lot.

We have a free lot system in place now. When you agree to a "your orb, your drop" BCNM run and something good drops from your orb, and somebody takes that good item away from you, even though you have all agreed that it is "your orb, your drop" that is stealing (aka ninja lot). Quartermaster can take care of this, but not everyone uses quartermaster, or the leader of the group "forgets" to quartermaster the person who pop'd the orb and/or takes it off and places it on himself. You think that has never happened before? Think it isn't happening now?

Also, option "a" is the same as option "number 1." Even I would have thought you could see the similarities.

[Korpg]

Explain your system then. And stop backtracking to try to make yourself look good.

[Rafien]

Alright, this would be out there and will never be implemented. But it here it is..

If you're killing crawlers in an area, you can select treasure and select manage options. You can see the items the mob drops and you can rate how much you want it and if you need it. That way when items drop and if the party already agreed that Person A gets X items while person B gets Z items, they just drop in place.

While I'm in parties I'm constantly selected pass on items that I just don't want. Insect Wings and what not, people that want them should need to cast for every drop but it'll be nice if those who really want them can sorta get the system to play them favorites for that item.

You should also be able to see what people are looking for, so you can see if someone is just wanting to claim everything.

Also, if it's a quested item, it should already be designated to go to the people that have the quest flagged and need it vs the people that don't have it flagged or the people that already completed it and just want to get it to sell.

[katz]

I am getting very annoyed with people who keep saying this and that about me. All I did was ask what was a better lotting system since there were so many people who complain about people stealing from them but they all seem quite happy to just talk about bad people and make accusations about me without any grounds of any lotting systems I have in place. Stop attacking people opinions and decide what your own opinions are about a subject and then write your own experiences not what you think about other peoples.

[Korpg]

Alright, this would be out there and will never be implemented. But it here it is..

If you're killing crawlers in an area, you can select treasure and select manage options. You can see the items the mob drops and you can rate how much you want it and if you need it. That way when items drop and if the party already agreed that Person A gets X items while person B gets Z items, they just drop in place.

While I'm in parties I'm constantly selected pass on items that I just don't want. Insect Wings and what not, people that want them should need to cast for every drop but it'll be nice if those who really want them can sorta get the system to play them favorites for that item.

You should also be able to see what people are looking for, so you can see if someone is just wanting to claim everything.

Also, if it's a quested item, it should already be designated to go to the people that have the quest flagged and need it vs the people that don't have it flagged or the people that already completed it and just want to get it to sell.

Two problems with this:

1) Apkallu Eggs. Sells for 100k a stack. Lets all get together to Abyssea - Mis and kill Apkallus. I need to lot on eggs for cooking. Later sells 7 stacks of Eggs for 700k. Whereas 6 people could have gotten 100k each from all that.

2) Some Genkis (especially the 80/85 cap Genkis) require KS and KCs. Having the quest flagged at 76 (or 80) and having all KS/KCs drop to the person who has the quest flagged will really hurt those who actually want those. Since KCNMs and KSNM99s are really popular now, that one person is going to hog up all the KS/KCs in a party/alliance. Think that is fair?

[Korpg]

I am getting very annoyed with people who keep saying this and that about me. All I did was ask what was a better lotting system since there were so many people who complain about people stealing from them but they all seem quite happy to just talk about bad people and make accusations about me without any grounds of any lotting systems I have in place. Stop attacking people opinions and decide what your own opinions are about a subject and then write your own experiences not what you think about other peoples.

What is your lotting system? Explain it in detail. Nobody is accusing you of anything at the moment. Nor is anyone attacking you at the moment. Nor is anyone saying anything bad to you at the moment.

As for my own experiences, yes, I have had things stolen from me. You know what, I got over it. I told everyone I knew about those types of people. Those people who stole things from my linkshell were kicked within seconds of stealing that item. It also helped me realize a few simple things to prevent such things from happening again.

Just because you are playing all innocent and saying that everyone is an angel and nobody would steal anything because loot pools are free lot to everyone doesn't mean that agreed on item distributions and somebody deciding that that agreement wasn't good enough for them isn't the same as stealing. Read about contractual agreements. They exist, even orally. And Square-Enix honors such agreements between players.

[Korpg]

Your orb your drop is not a free lot system. Your orb your drop is an example where Quartermastering should be applied. The person who has the orb sould be made leader and everything given to him. In the case that was quoted as what if they drop party and then open the chest. I would suggest the first time this happend then it would be the last time they were invited.

Quartermastering only works if you are the leader of the party. If you are not the leader, you are placing a lot of trust on the leader. Most people ask for leadership than quartermaster because of leaders taking off QM right before the chest is opening and/or putting QM on themselves. That has happened.

As for the drop and take chest method, what do you think the "name and shame" is supposed to be for? Think about it. If you don't invite said person again, what is keeping him from doing it to somebody else? Being silent is just two steps below of doing the same thing yourself. Not letting the public know about those types of people just creates those types of people into scamming others. And when they scammed enough people, they jump servers, change their names, and do it all over again. People have done that. See: Futchy.

[Ravenmore]

Katz you said you agree to split high gil items before the run how is this any different then a LS having set of rules so they don't have to go over it every single NM. If you joined the LS you are agreeing to the rules of the LS. So lotting out of turn will result in a) getting kick out the LS if it was a rare/ex item b) giving up the item up if it was tradable. and still run the risk of getting kick. Do it enough and geuss were you end up.

[Azagthoth]

Katz system is too personal. My system is allow everyone to use the existing feature and free lot everything. Its for the whinning populations that like to name and shame I asked what was a better system.

Let's say a group of you get together and farm a bunch of popsets for Chloris for +2 items, as well as Empyrean items. Then, a member you just recently invited decides to show up when you've decided to go pop all the popsets you've farmed. You don't need the person's help, but you let them come anyway. You kill all the Chloris pops and the new members decides to lot on every single item that he possibly can. Then, he does the same thing over-and-over and eventually leaves your linkshell once he has everything he needs/doesn't need. What would you do to prevent this situation?

[Rafien]

Simple, when he casts lot on multiple items D2 him or boot him from the LS and party immediately.