Cultural Lotting Changes, now with no risk of being closed

[Arcon]

<Leader> Ok, so you BLM who used his orb, I determined that you get the 2 Pearls and the 1 Black Pearl while I get the Kraken Club and the 3 Oxbloods. If you don't like that, too bad cause SE made it possible for me to decide who gets what.

Sounds fair, right?

That is basically what you are asking.

That's kinda what's already possible. Everyone is wholly dependent on the party/alliance leader to not kick everyone and score all the drops themselves. The only difference would be whether you trust your LS leader more than the party/alliance leader. It would allow a new kind of stealing, but disable the old kind of stealing, you just put your trust in a different person.

Personally I wouldn't see anything wrong with it. Pretty much all LS I've known have the leader call the shots on who should lot what, so I don't see the difference really. However, it's not really needed either, definitely not enough to make this kinda fuss about it.

[Korpg]

That's kinda what's already possible. Everyone is wholly dependent on the party/alliance leader to not kick everyone and score all the drops themselves. The only difference would be whether you trust your LS leader more than the party/alliance leader. It would allow a new kind of stealing, but disable the old kind of stealing, you just put your trust in a different person.

Personally I wouldn't see anything wrong with it. Pretty much all LS I've known have the leader call the shots on who should lot what, so I don't see the difference really. However, it's not really needed either, definitely not enough to make this kinda fuss about it.

katz's system would put all drops on the leader's hands for distribution. At least with the system in place the "thief" would have to lot on it first/quartermaster it to himself, with his system, all control automatically goes to the leader before distribution. More room for "error" in this case.

[Korpg]

Katz system is too personal. My system is allow everyone to use the existing feature and free lot everything. Its for the whinning populations that like to name and shame I asked what was a better system.

But your system and the "katz" system is exactly the same. Even the name.

As long as there are going to be thieves and ninjalotters, there will be the "name and shame" part of any system.

Take out the stealing, and nobody is going to call others a thief. Simple as that.

On a personal note: Are you one who stolen stuff from others? You seem so adamantly against this current system, is it because you are on the "name and shame" list?

[Korpg]

Yes, I did.

Weird, why would anyone want that?

I get what you are saying, but isn't it a little too blatant? You should have said "its my kraken club" for it to make more sense, but then again, you were being sarcastic.

[Ravenmore]

When I did KSNM, BSNM always asked for party lead before poping my orb leader didn't like it they had to find another member, even did this with LS KS99 runs.Its been said in this thread and the closed one, just don't lot till everyone passes or gets kick/d2.

[Frost]

Hey Katz, there's no rule against making a thread about one you closed.

Point illustrated.

[Korpg]

I didnt want to make this personal but to be honest you dont seem to see the difference between a) 1 person getting all the stuff and giving it out and b) Katz telling everyone you can lot everything that drops and its your good fortune you won it and hard cheese if you dont.

What I stated as a bad idea was what you stated as number 1. How fair can one person be when it comes to honestly distributing stuff? How honest are people when it comes to admiting what dropped?

When something rare has dropped to the one person, would they announce "Rare item dropped, here is who gets it?" Something like Defending Ring or any of the MNK BB items? Would you announce an item you really want for somebody else to get it?

Now don't get me wrong that I'm saying there are no honest people out there. But there are also pickup groups, and there are more pickup groups than there are trustworthy people.

What I am saying is that your system is just another method of people to get their stuff stolen.

[Khiinroye]

Ravenmore: that still doesn't stop someone from dropping party and opening the chest before someone else in the group can. Doing so gives the chest opener all the drops. There was someone on my server who was "named and shamed" for repeatedly doing this.

[stupid]Since the game mechanics allow this, it is obviously perfectly acceptable behavior, and we should have expected it from everyone we meet. In fact, it is simply miraculous that every BCNM doesn't have everyone dropping group and racing to be the first to open the chest. After all, we should never trust anyone to honor what they agreed to, and should never warn anyone about people who break agreements, because agreements are artificial and against the TOS.[/stupid]

[Rafien]

I'm just happy I found a LS that is very friendly, you never need to ask for an item because half the members will say "Hey, you need that item for this and that lot on it".

Few weeks ago, me and 2 others received the Quake scroll from a drop, we sat there and said, OK, what should we do with it. We decided even split 200K each person (sells 600K on Bahamut), I ended up paying them both off and kept the scroll.

.. To stay on topic, if you join a party, follow social etiquette. I D2 anyone that doesn't follow it.

[Ravenmore]

Ravenmore: that still doesn't stop someone from dropping party and opening the chest before someone else in the group can. Doing so gives the chest opener all the drops. There was someone on my server who was "named and shamed" for repeatedly doing this.

[stupid]Since the game mechanics allow this, it is obviously perfectly acceptable behavior, and we should have expected it from everyone we meet. In fact, it is simply miraculous that every BCNM doesn't have everyone dropping group and racing to be the first to open the chest. After all, we should never trust anyone to honor what they agreed to, and should never warn anyone about people who break agreements, because agreements are artificial and against the TOS.[/stupid]

Yes its not perfect but he also has no idea if doing that will pay off were a well timed NIN lot at the last sec could. Buts what better is now Katz is back tracking and he does use players agreeing before hand so its the same thing as LS rules.