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  1. #21
    Player Olor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    Bst was my first 75 job 6 years ago and was my main for a long time, it was one of the few skillfull jobs to play well. Now any dumbass levels it abusing things like 100pdt and now since they cut that they want higher hp, I know it's a job for dunces these days but the way they keep wanting to make it even dumber and dumber and dumber annoys me somewhat.
    Please for the love of god stop complaining about the fact that new players *gasp* actually play BST now. I know it is terrible that you can't be all cool on your uber unpopular job anymore, but really, how does it hurt you to have people like me (still in full perle, working on my first set of magian axes) playing BST?

    I do my best and recognize I have a long way to go but really the blatant elitism is pretty old now guys. It is one thing if you encounter a player who is deliberately stupid (hur dur... haste is dumb just makes you miss faster) or not interested in improving their gear choices at all - but we all have to start somewhere, so yeah, is it really necessary to complain about people who are just getting started on the job?

    As for the OP cruor buffs for pets would be nice but they aren't really necessary.
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    Also, I have to say, sometimes I think a good half of the playerbase is morally opposed to anyone re-rolling or playing this game for the first time.
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  3. #23
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    To someone who has been playing six to seven years, things are a lot easier now. A lot of people feel kind of ... slighted. It's hard to explain. Abyssea is a double-bladed sword; it's fast, but it's also easy to advance with little to no effort needed. I think it's because people see a lot of very bad players in pick-up parties and just get used to expecting that level of quality. They're not saying everyone is like that. So please don't be offended; we welcome hard-working new players to the job.

    On topic, it depends. On the whole, pets do not need cruor buffs applied to them. Pretty sure PUP and BST do not need their pets boosted any, but wyverns could do with an update. Just give them more HP (they can get up to +24% more HP after gaining 1000 exp) and perhaps some DT-% like avatars - it really wouldn't hurt Dragoon any.
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    Please for the love of god stop complaining about the fact that new players *gasp* actually play BST now. I know it is terrible that you can't be all cool on your uber unpopular job anymore, but really, how does it hurt you to have people like me (still in full perle, working on my first set of magian axes) playing BST?
    I don't mind people playing bst, I just find it offensive it became the dumbass easy job to get stuff done. 100pdt alone made tons of people level it cause they suck at doing stuff any other way, at least with any other method there is an amount of danger and you have to take some attention to it. Bst you can go make a coffee and watch tv while your gamesharked pet kills the mob for you. Heaven forbid you might have to kite for a little while between call timers like you would of had to do in the past or anything even slightly resembling tactics to kill a mob.

    Not saying all bst suck, cause there are still some good bsts out there but really, people push for too much on a job already way into easy mode already. I'll come right out and say it, bst used to be a job you got respect for leveling and killing stuff on 5-6 years ago, now it's just a trash utility job.
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    I think pets definitely should get cruor buffs. Maybe not as high as players (ie, without abyssite enhancements), but a boost none-the-less. More HP means matons can take more of a punch, and more MP means they can cast more spells before getting Aspir locked at <75% MP.
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  6. #26
    Player Gotterdammerung's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    I don't mind people playing bst, I just find it offensive it became the dumbass easy job to get stuff done. 100pdt alone made tons of people level it cause they suck at doing stuff any other way, at least with any other method there is an amount of danger and you have to take some attention to it. Bst you can go make a coffee and watch tv while your gamesharked pet kills the mob for you. Heaven forbid you might have to kite for a little while between call timers like you would of had to do in the past or anything even slightly resembling tactics to kill a mob.

    Not saying all bst suck, cause there are still some good bsts out there but really, people push for too much on a job already way into easy mode already. I'll come right out and say it, bst used to be a job you got respect for leveling and killing stuff on 5-6 years ago, now it's just a trash utility job.
    You are basically saying that you hope your main job never gets any improvements from any more updates because that might make it attractive enough for other people to play it.

    You are like one of those people who stop liking bands once everyone knows about them. Because it was never about the music to you. It was about making you feel special, because you were one of the few people who knew about this awesome band.

    Bottom line you=elitist. You liked thinking "Only truly skilled people can play bst" Because that made you part of a small community of "truly skilled" people. Now the statement reads "Anyone can lvl bst" and you don't feel special anymore.

    Well thats a B.S. way of looking at it.

    I think it's unfair for you to hold an entire job hostage in the nerf zone just because you have a low self-esteem.


    I hope pet jobs do continue to get stronger and i also hope more and more players are drawn to them.
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    Last edited by Gotterdammerung; 07-01-2011 at 02:36 AM.

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    Player Khiinroye's Avatar
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    Pets should definitely get the benefit of cruor buffs. I also don't see why they can't receive party buffs; SE already made that work with the NPC fellow.
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  8. #28
    Player Ketaru's Avatar
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    Late here, but part of it is that pets not receiving cruor enhancements just harkens back to the days when one of the go-to responses of why you don't invite a BST to a merit parties was that buffing a BST was like buffing only half a damage dealer. This was back when BRDs held the distinction as being a premium EXP party job.

    Atma, in a way, is actually an equalizer since the player in his/her entirety is getting enhanced by them. If they allow us to solo because we can coordinate the fight from a safe distance (especially since so many key NMs have powerful area attacks these days), that's really just the perk of having a disposable unit you can send to do your work. If our pet didn't get Atma, we'd still be weak damage dealers.

    I suppose I could be disappointed that BST is an easy job to level now too. But I'd be more disappointed if we end up being as unpopular as we once were prior to Abyssea. At least now that we're more or less on equal footing with other damage dealers, people can invite you for your merits as a player rather than as a job, which I think is the way it always should have been. If you have accomplished more in Abyssea than the guy next to you, it will show.

    You've been bitter at least once before about having awesome BST damage dealer gear and watching the Domaru SAM next to you get an invite and not you. And don't pretend you haven't been there.
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    Last edited by Ketaru; 07-09-2011 at 02:19 PM.
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    While this certainly would be cool, do we really need it? The wyvern is the only really weak pet inside abyssea, and I'd much rather SE do something more practical like give us Heal Breaths IV and V already since the last one we got was III at level FORTY!


    Abyssea's over & done with. So rather than having cruor buffs work on them, and I know this is stepping on COR's toes, but why not instead change it so songs and phantom rolls work on pets?
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    While this certainly would be cool, do we really need it? The wyvern is the only really weak pet inside abyssea, and I'd much rather SE do something more practical like give us Heal Breaths IV and V already since the last one we got was III at level FORTY!
    Well, not even players need cruor buffs, if that is what you are talking about. The idea to give pets the buffs is just for balance reasons. That pet jobs shouldn't be worse than no-pet jobs.

    And yea, songs and rolls should have worked on pets from day one. SE just don't have the slightest clue about balancing jobs. Or rather, I don't think they even count pets as part of the game.
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