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    Player Kensagaku's Avatar
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    ...Rather than pointing fingers, why not just make your argument and leave it at that? You're pretty much inviting slander back by slandering others. Just stating that now.

    That aside, as I stated, it would pretty much give all items to the leader/leader's best friends/relationship partner/shell suckup. Few shells are free of some sort of favoritism, whether it is to people who are active, or people who have a relationship with the leader, etc etc. As a result, giving the leader the option to distribute would just be a foolish idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kensagaku View Post
    Few shells are free of some sort of favoritism, whether it is to people who are active, or people who have a relationship with the leader, etc etc. As a result, giving the leader the option to distribute would just be a foolish idea.
    Just earlier I pictured you as a "if you don't like it, don't do it" kinda guy. This could essentially be applied to this as well, if you're in a shell where drops are handled unfairly, you could just leave.

    I have to argue that statement from my own experience. Many linkshells already do the exact same thing, the leader decides who gets what, and all of the ones I've seen do it in a very fair and unbiased way, often adhering to some sort of system that's publically available, or at least within the LS, so everyone can check whether or not that decision was fair. The only difference to now, to those shells at least, would be that it would save the players the click of a few buttons.
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    There is no such thing as a ninja lot. In. Your. Shell. Why are you trying to force your shell's culture on everyone else?
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    What if there are no linkshell leaders present? What if it's a group of people, all from different linkshells?
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    Question posed: Are players capable of self-enforcement?

    Answer: Yes. The ToS even supports them when the agreement is mutually understood and agreed to.

    Question posed: Should linkshell leaders be given the ability to assign drops to people in-game?

    Answer: No. Why? Because players are capable of ToS-backed self-enforcement.
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    Player Tamoa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    This is why I also included alliance leaders or party leaders in my original note.
    But this could be someone you don't know and who might end up screwing you out of your promised item.
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    Changes to the Lotting system?

    Why? If your not partying with total dicks and dishonorable people, There's nothing wrong with it.

    It's the people that Skrew up the current system.

    I get that people want control and power and someone to make sure Linkshell member butthole over there doesn't "steal" their drop.

    WHY ARE YOU PARTYING WITH BUTTHOLE MEMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

    Becuase he's part of the shell? if you don't trust your shell that much maybe the problem is deeper.

    No two peoples situation here is going to be the same, but this boils down to this.

    Don't want to share? don't put yourself in situations where you have to.

    Don't want random people making off with long sought after items? Don't put yourself in that situation to make it possible.

    Don't want Butt noob to reap the benifits of your 3 years hard work? Don't take butt member.

    The people you surround yourself speak volumes of how you roll in this game....

    I think a few of ya'll know too many dicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    So Valaris, you are in WOE and have made your linkshell rules and everyone signs up somewhere outside of the game that says they agree to abide to your rules. Someone in your shell lots and then someout outside your shell lots and wins. Which GM you going to call to say they cant lot
    not 100% on how WOE treasure system is but if its like every other area in the game where only the people in the party can lot whats in the treasure pool then i woulda have had that person agree to the terms if they did not you boot them and if they agree and then ninja loot call gm (it doesnt matter what one you call) they will handle the situation if they find in the chat log that person agreed to the terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawesemo View Post
    Changes to the Lotting system?

    Why? If your not partying with total dicks and dishonorable people, There's nothing wrong with it.

    It's the people that Skrew up the current system.

    I get that people want control and power and someone to make sure Linkshell member butthole over there doesn't "steal" their drop.

    WHY ARE YOU PARTYING WITH BUTTHOLE MEMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

    Becuase he's part of the shell? if you don't trust your shell that much maybe the problem is deeper.

    No two peoples situation here is going to be the same, but this boils down to this.

    Don't want to share? don't put yourself in situations where you have to.

    Don't want random people making off with long sought after items? Don't put yourself in that situation to make it possible.

    Don't want Butt noob to reap the benifits of your 3 years hard work? Don't take butt member.

    The people you surround yourself speak volumes of how you roll in this game....

    I think a few of ya'll know too many dicks.
    That's some first post. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawesemo View Post
    Changes to the Lotting system?

    Why? If your not partying with total dicks and dishonorable people, There's nothing wrong with it.

    It's the people that Skrew up the current system.

    I get that people want control and power and someone to make sure Linkshell member butthole over there doesn't "steal" their drop.

    WHY ARE YOU PARTYING WITH BUTTHOLE MEMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

    Becuase he's part of the shell? if you don't trust your shell that much maybe the problem is deeper.

    No two peoples situation here is going to be the same, but this boils down to this.

    Don't want to share? don't put yourself in situations where you have to.

    Don't want random people making off with long sought after items? Don't put yourself in that situation to make it possible.

    Don't want Butt noob to reap the benifits of your 3 years hard work? Don't take butt member.

    The people you surround yourself speak volumes of how you roll in this game....

    I think a few of ya'll know too many dicks.
    I like this guy. I approve of this message, as it applies to practically half the threads in GD.
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